The Pope says I'm a Nazi - or Godwin in one step

Good for you ! I picked up on the same thing !

This is simply manufactured outrage. Connecting two passages both delivered in different contexts from different parts of his speech to come up with a new meaning.

Yes he did urge Britain to oppose extreme secularism. Did everyone miss the operative word “extreme” ? It has great significance amongst us when we oppose “extreme” Islam rathar than Islam.

Extreme secularism in the context of his speech can at the very least mean any movement that wishes to undermine the role of faith in modern society. A call to oppose that force seems perfectly reasonable for a pope to do.

I do not care for this particular pope, nor for the church he represents in general, but this outrage is ridiculous .

And certain tabloid newspapers are trying to put words into his mouth by dragging up that old myth about certain councils wanting to ban Christmas, and turn it in to “Winterval”

Let’s go to the tape again. That first part specifically.

He says the Nazis were trying to “eradicate God from society.” They were not, as many quotes from Hitler in this thread alone indicate. The Nazis were not atheists. They did not wish to “undermine the role of faith in society.” They said themselves they were doing what they did for the glory of God. To ignore that and blame their actions on atheist extremism is slander against an innocent group. That is not taken out of context.

Manufactured outrage? In the English media? No kidding, count me shocked.

God I hate living here sometimes.

Off to bed with you, Mikey, the grown-ups are having a grown-up discussion.

I’m praying to God in the hopes that he smites your ass. In fact, I hope you suffocate crawling up Richard Dawkins’ ass.

Richard Dawkins bites back.

For a scientist, he has an amazing ability to not do anything scientific yet remain “important”.

He remains “important” because he is a highly influential thinker (cf. The Selfish Gene) who is also willing to step on toes and reveal that the emperor has no clothes.

Apropos of nothing, it cracks me up that the sign language interpreter uses a finger under the nose for Hitler.

ETA: And at this point, merely speaking of facts makes one a scientist. The public discourse has degraded that far.

Idiot.

I’m guessing that might not really be genuine sign language.

Why would you think that?

As a frustrated grad student without a single published paper to his name despite quite a few submission, I see that this bibliography lists no academic papers since 2004 and it irrationally annoys me.

I just wish Dawkins would do more lab work or scientific writing (not another umpteenth variation on how evolution is true and religion sucks) than trolling credulous idiots who happen to believe in a God and drawing attention to himself.

I’m a skeptical asshole, basically.

There’s a difference between skeptical and irrationally paranoid. What would be the motivation for having someone pretend to sign for the crowd?

Good grief. When you sneered at him for not doing real science, I had a mind to ask ‘well how many papers have YOU published exactly’?

And, knowing nothing about you except that you were, statistically speaking, unlikely to be a scientist, that would have been a pointless jibe. But then you actually went and said you’re a grad student with no papers to your name yet. :rolleyes: You really ought to think before you post.

Anyway, why the hell are you bothering this thread with your worthless opinions on how RD should best use his time? He has a website. Go explain to him why he’s wasting his (and apparently your) time.

ETA: d’oh, that was all for Mikey of course.

I just meant that the Hitler = finger mustache thing might not be a recognized sign in whatever version of sign language she’s “speaking” (speaking in quotes because she’s using her hands, not her mouth and vocal cords). I’m not sure how many sign languages would need a specific sign for “Hitler”, really.

That was my only point.

It’s a fucking subforum for flaming people on an internet message board, man. My opinions have the same value as yours in terms of real life: fuck all.

In what way do you believe he trolls theists? I’ve never seen him do that.