The Repeal of Obamacare/ACA: Step-bystep, Inch-by-inch

[Blalron]

@SteveG1

SOME voters supported all this, UNTIL they found out it was THEIR so called “handout” that was on the line. Until that point, it was “Fuck the other guy”.

I’ve noticed through all my years of seeing this issue debated that some of the stingiest and most heartless people are also sucking on the government tit, and they seem to see zero irony or hypocrisy in doing so.

[mhendo]

@SteveG1

SOME voters supported all this, UNTIL they found out it was THEIR so called “handout” that was on the line.

Relevant tweet from a couple of years ago.

[SteveG1]

@mhendo

Relevant tweet from a couple of years ago.

‘I never thought leopards would eat MY face,’ sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People’s Faces Party."
ROFL. Priceless

[SteveG1]

@Blalron

I’ve noticed through all my years of seeing this issue debated that some of the stingiest and most heartless people are also sucking on the government tit, and they seem to see zero irony or hypocrisy in doing so.

I know. How many rabid Tea Party assholes who wanted the government to stop all benefits and so called “handouts” to other people, were sucking up tons of shit for themselves.

http://b-i.forbesimg.com/peterjreilly/files/2013/06/govoutofmedicare6.jpg

[jasg]

Interesting weekend for the “Repeal and Replace” crowd.

First, there seems to be an organized protest effort at Republican Town Hall meetings.

Two Republican lawmakers representing reliably conservative districts on opposite ends of the country on Saturday faced down heated questions from Obamacare supporters who flooded town hall events demanding that Congress not dismantle a health care law that has provided insurance for millions of people.

Second, in the O’Reilly interview

President Donald Trump walked back his recent vow that Obamacare would be replaced in short order, telling Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly that the process is “complicated” and “maybe it’ll take till sometime into next year.”

“It statutorily takes a while to get,” Trump said in a wide-ranging interview that aired Sunday during the Super Bowl pre-game show. “We’re going to be putting it in fairly soon, I think that yes I would like to say by the end of the year at least the rudiments, but we should have something within the year and the following year.”

[NetTrekker]

Why don’t they just repeal already? They won the White House and Congress on that platform so why are they now hesitating and hem-hawing about repair/replace? Their voting bloc wants it repealed so why do they care about anything else?

[elucidator]

Because its incumbent upon them to do so. They want to remain incumbent.

[Chimera]

Because they want to keep talking about it to keep their base from a revolt, but they’re scared to actually remove insurance from 20 million people.

[SteveG1]

@elucidator

Because its incumbent upon them to do so. They want to remain incumbent.

Exactly. Their constituents were fine with the idea of screwing everyone else, but they are starting to realize it affects them too and they are going full retard over it (But they already were retards). They want THEIR goodies and handouts.

So, this “concern” is just an effort by politicians to save their own asses… incumbent.

[NetTrekker]

@elucidator

Because its incumbent upon them to do so. They want to remain incumbent.

How will they remain incumbent by not doing the will of their voters who want blood in the streets?

[jasg]

@NetTrekker

How will they remain incumbent by not doing the will of their voters who want blood in the streets?

Perhaps the number of their voters who want blood in the streets is less than the number who want to keep their ACA coverage as Obamacare is repealed…

[Euphonious_Polemic]

@NetTrekker

Why don’t they just repeal already? They won the White House and Congress on that platform so why are they now hesitating and hem-hawing about repair/replace? Their voting bloc wants it repealed so why do they care about anything else?

And they’ve had literally years and YEARS to come up with a workable alternative plan.

So where is it?
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<crickets>

[ThelmaLou]

@NetTrekker

How will they remain incumbent by not doing the will of their voters who want blood in the streets?

Because the will of the voters at the time that they voted is not the same as the will of the voters now that they HAVE voted and seen the evil consequences of their votes… and the fact that these evil consequences will befall them even though at the time that they voted they thought that was what they wanted has, appropriately enough, scared them shitless. Got it?

[SteveG1]

@ThelmaLou

Because the will of the voters at the time that they voted is not the same as the will of the voters now that they HAVE voted and seen the evil consequences of their votes… and the fact that these evil consequences will befall them even though at the time that they voted they thought that was what they wanted has, appropriately enough, scared them shitless. Got it?

Actions (and votes) have consequences. You vote for the Leopards Eating Peoples Faces Party, and guess what — surprise surprise

[ThelmaLou]

“What do Republicans say they’ll do about Obamacare? ‘No idea.’”
http://wapo.st/2knIxjT

After years of Republican yammering about the urgent need to repeal the Affordable Care Act and months of fruitless pursuit of an alternative, President Trump now says he may not unveil a replacement this year at all. And from Capitol Hill comes new word that Republicans aren’t even talking about a plan.

“To be honest, there’s not any real discussion taking place right now,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) told reporters Tuesday at the Capitol. Corker, according to the Huffington Post, said he has “no idea” when Republicans might start drafting an alternative to Obamacare, adding, “I don’t see any congealing around ideas yet.”

For seven years, opponents of the Affordable Care Act vowed to make its repeal their top concern, warning that the law would turn America overnight into a socialist dystopia. Now these opponents have unfettered control of the government and they aren’t even talking about repealing.
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This means that Republicans, while waiting for their alternative to “congeal,” have already set in motion the disintegration of the current health-insurance market. “It’s worse than the dog who caught the car,” said Jesse Ferguson, a strategist advising Democrats on health care. “It’s the dog who somehow is now driving the car.”…

May I just repeat: HA!

You bluffing bulshitters. You owe President Obama a YUUUUUGE apology, you shameless, pathetic, hypocritical, obstructionist LOSERS!

This is the plan “everyone hates,” “a complete disaster,” that will be repealed on DAY ONE?? R-I-I-I-I-GHT. :mad:

[GIGObuster]

@jasg

Perhaps the number of their voters who want blood in the streets is less than the number who want to keep their ACA coverage as Obamacare is repealed…

In fact the Republicans always willfully missed that part were the public was very consistent. The ones opposed to the ACA included liberals and progressives that wanted something better. That did create the paradox of more people wanting to make changes to the ACA than the number of people against it; but the polls that were mentioned by the media usually mentioned the part that asked about being against it, not the part about wanting just to change it. As usual, a lot of nuance was omitted and ignorance prevails among conservatives.

Which is more unpopular: Obamacare or repealing Obamacare?

So what do we make of all of this?

“I think the two items show that while the law remains more opposed than supported, the idea of repealing (or repeal and replace) also lacks majority support,” said Charles Franklin, director of the Marquette Law School Poll. “In part this may reflect a lack of appetite for going through the entire process of legislating again, or perhaps concern that a replacement would be no better. It may also reflect the lack of specific proposals that would be part of a replacement.”

“Without strongly formed opinions about alternatives, surveys are likely to be especially sensitive to question wording and the particular focus of a question.”

We’ll throw one more poll in there, just for fun. According to the Pew Center for People and the Press, of the 53 percent of people who disapprove of the law, a majority — 56 percent — said lawmakers should still try to make it work, while just 36 percent said they should do what they can to ensure it fails.

[SteveG1]

@ThelmaLou

“What do Republicans say they’ll do about Obamacare? ‘No idea.’”
http://wapo.st/2knIxjT
May I just repeat: HA!

You bluffing bulshitters. You owe President Obama a YUUUUUGE apology, you shameless, pathetic, hypocritical, obstructionist LOSERS!

This is the plan “everyone hates,” “a complete disaster,” that will be repealed on DAY ONE?? R-I-I-I-I-GHT. :mad:

It’s ALL about the political cost, to THEM. They are afraid they won’t be able to blame the Dems for it.

[ThelmaLou]

“Republican Health Proposal Would Redirect Money From Poor to Rich”
https://nyti.ms/2lnA9oj

Republicans in Congress have been saying for months that they are working on a plan to repeal and replace Obamacare in the Trump era. Now we have the outline of that plan, and it looks as if it would redirect federal support away from poorer Americans and toward people who are wealthier.
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The Republican plan would … substantially cut funding for states in providing free insurance to low-income adults through Medicaid. And it would change how tax credits are distributed by giving all Americans not covered through work a flat credit by age, regardless of income.

That means that the biggest financial benefits would go to older Americans, like, say, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. If he didn’t have a job in the Trump cabinet and access to government coverage, a 64-year-old multimillionaire like him would get the same amount of financial assistance as someone his age, living in poverty, and he would get substantially more money than a poor, young person.
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The plan includes additional features that redistribute resources from the poor to the rich. It would allow Americans to sock more money away for health spending in special tax-free health savings accounts. The benefits of such accounts fall largely to higher income-people who pay more in taxes, and a recent analysis of current health savings accounts found that they are held disproportionately by families with high earnings. (The white paper is silent on two Obamacare taxes that target wealthier Americans, but other Republican plans have proposed eliminating them. It does eliminate a number of taxes on the health care industry.)…

These guys are shameless. But we knew that.

There is a link to an outline of the pan in the original article. It’s a pdf, which I can’t access on my kindle.

[vivalostwages]

@Euphonious_Polemic

And they’ve had literally years and YEARS to come up with a workable alternative plan.

So where is it?
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<crickets>

The pdf link is in the second paragraph:

Paul Ryan's Obamacare Alternative Is Here, and It Doesn't Even Pretend to...

Vouchers!!

[ThelmaLou]

@ThelmaLou

“Republican Health Proposal Would Redirect Money From Poor to Rich”
https://nyti.ms/2lnA9oj
These guys are shameless. But we knew that.

There is a link to an outline of the pan in the original article. It’s a pdf, which I can’t access on my kindle.

@vivalostwages

The pdf link is in the second paragraph:

Paul Ryan's Obamacare Repeal Proposal Is Here, and It Doesn't Even Pretend to Care About Poor People | GQ
Vouchers!!

My bold.