Who gave you Obamacare? Do you need a hint?
You’re irate about a “maybe”?
The point is that *they *haven’t guaranteed you jack shit.
Yes, you’re pointing your ire solely at the only people who have actually *done *a damn thing about the problem, or will. Reconsider.
He’s not slow to tell people to fuck off. So that would be my guess.
That’s pretty much his Go-to rebuttal.
As far as I can tell, I haven’t gotten a thing out of it; I was given nothing.
Hmm. Okay, I’m irate about a “to the best of my knowledge”.
Some people, “to the best of my knowledge”, had plans they liked and weren’t able to keep, despite the if-you-like-your-plan-you-can-keep-it guarantee.
Isn’t that my point?
I’d get irate if I saw a commercial with false advertising – even though I don’t get irate when folks simply don’t advertise. I’d get irate about a perjurer – even though I don’t get irate about folks who don’t testify in the first place.
To the best of my knowledge, neither my employer nor my insurer has ever lied to me; I’m trying real hard, but I can’t seem to get irate about that. By contrast, Obama seems to have simply lied, which makes me as “irate” as false advertising or perjury.
Uh, okay; I’m reconsidering. When else do you think I should give liars a pass? Is it “whenever they’re doing a damn thing about a problem,” or is there more to it?
Too chicken to implement the scorched earth program you’ve been promising for eight years? Losing your nerve? :mad:
ETA
“Optical position”? WTF is that? They WILL be to blame. Nothing optical about it.
As an Optical Engineer, the current use of “optical”, especially in politics, as synonymous with “Makes It Look Like” bugs the hell out of me.
That’s how Newt is using it here – “It will look as if the Republicans are responsible for millions losing their coverage”. The real failing is not in actually being responsible for the loss of healthcare – the failing is being seen as responsible for it.
I said the concept was popular, not the amendment itself. Please read for comprehension.
The man who should be President:
I hope you’re the expert.
I’m supposed to write the Great American Novel, and I am a little puzzled that I got into this healthcare data stuff. Really, it was a very weird change in career path. One second I was saying, “SQL? Sure, I can learn that, it’s all just language.” and next thing I know I’m working on a Masters degree and finding out that what the courses are calling “history” is what I call “my early work years.”
This is what I don’t understand. The Republicans I know personally are lovely people, who would help someone in need in a second. And they all support these unpleasant people who vote against humanitarian principles. I don’t get it.
BTW, people *did *get things out of Obamacare, even if they don’t know it. If it is repealed, I’m sure everyone who has to buy a private insurance plan will enjoy having their entire health history scrutinized by a would-be insurer. (Don’t bother lying on the application; the Medical Information Bureau, or MIB, keeps this information on you.) If you were treated for acne in 2000, if you had a spate of heartburn in 2010 – be prepared for a rejection of coverage and/or denial of care. If you have a chronic illness such as diabetes, high blood pressure, or hyperlipidemia (half of American adults take a medication for at least one of these conditions), be prepared to be unable to get coverage at any price.
No, no, no - they won’t deny you coverage, they’ll just quote you a monthly premium twice your gross monthly income… but they won’t deny you. It’s not their fault they’ve priced you out of the market!
Its basically feudalism light.
Anyway good point about people who have had Obamacare never getting healthcare again.
Pre-voting polls showed the amendment slightly more popular at 30 percent. Still not very popular. I’m struggling with a concept that lost by 60 percent as being popular in any form. I struggle with this amendment losing, and losing by a very large margin, because well, we like the idea of free shit but the devil is in the details. Voters, as a whole, are generally not that nuanced as evidenced by the whole Trump/Clinton debacle.
So, even if your premise is accepted on face value, which I don’t necessarily accept as a Colorado resident as well, once again it boils down to the mysterious “the concept was popular” but the execution not so much. As stated previously the idea of free shit is a great idea. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t want free shit. Actually having to pay for and implement said free shit, not so much. The concept of free blow jobs for all sounds magnificent until it is actually presented as free blow jobs for all given by syphilitic goats from the local TB sanitarium farm.
The point being, I did read for comprehension in your post. I reject the premise because free shit is never free shit.
Alright so the free stuff argument looks to be from a different thread. Mea culpa. However, I still stand by my point that single payer and/or ACA in Colorado (or nationwide for that matter) has never been popular except to those that stand to directly benefit (color me stunned). It’s just not. An amendment to bring it in some fashion was defeated and defeated soundly. With that large a margin. it’s not the details that lost. It’s the concept that lost.
On a national level, the concept is not free shit. The concept is that the current shit has been allowed to grow so expensive and inefficient that a better system can deliver more shit for less money.
That may look like free shit from the perspective of the recipient who may now be paying less and getting shit he never got before. But it isn’t really free.
Of course, part of the inefficiency is that the US is trying to have something like a score or more different systems duplicating each others work were everyone else mostly has one system and lets the market sort out the rest.
Fixing that by adding one more system isn’t really going to work.
Fair enough. It is being sold as free shit, though, and accepting that the vast majority realizes that it is not free shit, single payer, imesho, is still not “popular” to the US population as a whole despite protestations from those that do support it.
Good summary.
Of course the challenge with a major change to the system is that there is a large industry in the middle of things, who has been getting a lot of money for being the inefficient middle-man. These are the companies who are lobbying against any changes. And they have deep pockets (from taking piles of money by being in the middle). So they are deeply entrenched in keeping the status quo.
This. Trumpcare: “Make America Sick Again.”
All that needs to be done is to craft a bill declaring Obamacare has been repealed and replaced by the ACA… Should satisfy many haters of Obamacare and the Republicans can honestly say that those who like it can keep it.
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Well you see, those people don’t DESERVE healthcare, because they are poor. They obviously made bad choices to be sick, and to be poor, so they should not expect ME to pay for that. I am better than them, because I worked hard, and made good choices, like not getting sick.
If I can be OK health-wise, that means that The Others are undeserving. I refuse to acknowledge that bad luck or circumstances play any role, because that thought frightens me.
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You forgot: Let Trump take all the credit for it. This is important to him.