The ACA is a complete failure because health care costs have gone UP since it passed so no - it does not provide “Affordable Care”
Maybe if it were called “Getting every American insured [no matter what it costs them] Care” then yes it has been very successful.
Nope. Read up on ColoradoCare. It was defeated because the insurance companies outspent the proponents by a HUGE margin. Also, the anti-ColoradoCare side played on peoples stupidity. They played to how TAXES would be increased. Nevermind that even with the increase in taxes my healthcare bill would go down since I wouldn’t have to pay insurance premiums.
*That *never happened before, did it? :rolleyes:
Costs went up more slowly than they would have.
It has become affordable for roughly 20 million people who did not have it before. It could have been more successful, eliminating the problem entirely, if it had not faced such fierce and irrational opposition.
You broke it-- you own it.
It was never popular. Spin it how you like. The claim that single payer healthcare is/was popular is a false claim. Evoking the same excuse making and voter blaming that Clinton supporters try to shovel off the failure of her campaign to is not compelling. The fact of the matter is that it lost, by a four to fucking one margin. Apparently 80 percent of Colorado voters are morons easily duped by corporations. (As an aside, Hillary Clinton won Colorado.) Spin it all you want but single payer healthcare is NOT popular.
They’ve added defunding planned parenthood to the repeal legislation. Good to see them overreaching so far so soon.
OK, is it becoming less unpopular, as time goes on? Not going to ask if its getting “more popular”, don’t want to upset you.
Seems to me, that was Obama’s plan from the git-go. He basically made a bet with Republicans, that even this wizened and spasticated effort would improve a situation so bad that almost anything would help. And he let them load it up with compromises, even shoving some benefits down the road. The Republicans bet that they could exaggerate the weakness they demanded to be built in, and make it so unpopular, it would fall apart. Almost did, but it didn’t.
Shrewd play, Mr. President. Sir.
Gosh, 'luci, bless your heart for the kindest of consideration for my well being here in the Pit. No, it’s not more popular or less not popular. Folks seem to be getting a gander at the ACA and/or single payer and going what the fuck is this shit? ACA has my premium at almost a damn mortgage payment and I have to have it or get penalized up to 2G’s at tax time. That doesn’t make for popular.
At this point, their main focus is on figuring out how to blame the Democrats when the “we elected you to get rid of Obamacare, not the Affordable Care Act” pitchforks and torches come out.
I ask for stats, you give anecdote. Works for you, OK by me.
Oh you wanted, stats. My bad. I missed that. Looked like a request for opinion to me. In 1924 Rogers Hornsby had a slash line of .424/.507/.696 with an OPS of 1.203. How’s that?
As for the single payer thing, I’ll throw the stat, I guess, that pre-voting, Amendment 69 polled at 30 percent… not very popular to begin with. It dropped another 10 percent on voting day. Here To me, that indicates, at least here in Colorado, it is less popular.
A few years back I qualified for single payer healthcare here in the good old US of A.
As an another anecdote, most of us in that situation love it (and hope the government keeps their hands off it :D).
What healthcare solution will be popular? All solutions will be unpopular. Single payer–unpopular. Require everyone to pay for insurance–unpopular. What is the popular solution?
Unless we can get someone else to pay for it (like Mexico :)), people are going to be unhappy about any solution. It’s clear that Americans in general want:
That’s not going to happen. Any solution is going to involve painful choices and part of the population is going to be unhappy about it. People are unhappy about SS and Medicare, yet clearly there are many benefits.
We need to focus on the right solution rather than the popular one. But in this pandering political climate, the politicians are not going to make the tough choices because they don’t want to risk the wrath of the biggest complainers.
…and if the “right answer” is it’s not for the federal government to sort?
Well, as with war, that’s an easier question to ponder when it’s not you or someone you love who’ll have to die in the name of “freedom”.
Well as with most things appealing purely to a emotional reasoning doesn’t often lead to the right answer
I don’t think considering human costs was necessarily an emotional decision, especially when the other side talks about the threat to a nebulous concept that there is widespread disagreement as to its very definition.
Compassion is an emotion, I suppose. After all, Jesus wept, didn’t write a position paper.
Are you agreeing to form public policy based on Jesus’ teachings?
Then we should just ask whatever magical genie made it that way for health care? Because there’s no evidence at all for how that could even work, much less be true.