In 2007, Scylla was brave enough(and reckless enough) to waterboard himselfto determine if it was truly torture.
it’s foolish to declare something as not horrendous when you haven’t truly experienced it.
And, of course, had he given a clear answer, no one would have seen that as criticism.
Sorry. You are simply playing partisan politics.
Here’s what one victim of sleep deprivation said after being subjected to it by Soviet secret police:
Is that what you experienced? If it’s not, it’s possible that you didn’t actually experience a severe version of sleep deprivation.
No. You did not. You experienced rather brief periods of standing at attention or holding filled buckets. You were “deprived” of a few hours of sleep for a couple of nights.
Your claim is akin to someone playing football comparing a hit to being struck by a car.
So, if I really, really hate the color purple, and you place me a=ion a purple room for a month or so, that’s torture, huh?
So where do these things move from unpleasant to really unpleasant to horrendous to torture?
Military service, especially for basic training, is designed so that most people fit enough for military service can pass it. Your argument is, again, nonsense.
If it’s one’s goal to damage America’s reputation and enflame those who like to kill us , fly planes into buildings and cut our heads off, you’re right. Otherwise, you couldn’t be more wrong.
The definition, from alittle something we ratified and which is therefore our law:
If you recall anything of our contemporaneous discussions on the issue, this should not be a question for you.
It depends is that room so small you can’t sit down?
Is there a tube up your ass?
You’re defending torture for partisan reasons. Think about that.
Just to be clear, do you think this is a good analogy? I mean, don’t respond right away; really stop and reflect on it. If you conclude, “actually, no, I can see some giant fucking differences between dealing with a color I don’t like and being deprived of a basic animal necessity, sorry to waste everyone’s time with a terrible analogy, I retract it,” nobody will think worse of you; quite the contrary.
Reflect, and let us know what you decide.
How about a bit of elaboration, then. If we torture, then we’re no better than the other torturers, are we? :dubious:
Basic training is designed so they “break you” and put you together again. Kinda like “breaking” someone in interrogation.
So we would be at war with some old white males, big deal. And the collective heads at Fox News would explode with outrage if Bush administration officials were prosecuted, which many sane people would enjoy seeing. You’re delusional if you think something on the magnitude of a civil war would occur, the divide is nothing like slavery was.
Ah, the old Kreskin school of debate. Interesting that you know more about what he experienced than he did. If you doubt his recollection, why don’t you ASK him for clarification. Easier your way, huh?
Accounting for the evil GOP voters put in power did, isn’t trivial. It’s necessary so that we don’t have more evil done in our names.
Piffle. Our enemies (and most of our friends) already knew that we have been betraying our ideals in this area. This simply makes us look better to the rest of the world than Turkey denying the Armenian genocide or Japan pretending that WWII was a minor imposition on its neighbors and that “comfort women” and the Rape of Nanking never happened.
I assure you, I’m not the one with something up his ass. And where is it written that there needs to be a multiple things happening for it to constitute torture?
And no, I’m not defending torture. And that brings to light part of the problem—what is torture? That’s really fodder for a separate discussion, but you’re attempting to use the ambiguity to help your argument. It does not, it simply derails the debate.
Bullshit.
It’s your assertion that that torture done by the CIA is no worse than the basic training you did? Get a lot of tubes up your ass in basic? Get waterboarded a hundred and some odd times?
Aside, even if the acts were the same (and they weren’t) doing them while captive and while in a voluntary service is not the same thing.
Our enemies, and most of our friends with militaries that have ever participated in any significant engagement, do the same or way worse in the torture department to extract information from enemies at war time. Of course, unlike us, they don’t air their laundry out for the world to see and point to.