So a little exercise was your breaking point? Wow.
I don’t have to ask the difference between basic training and torture. If you want to buy into his silly claims, that is your problem.
If you think this is a GOP-only thing, you’re magnificently naive. And newsflash: whatever torture that was being done has stopped. Unless you think Obama is doing it at some black site.
Try to keep up.
You’re defending torture. Please don’t distract from that with some nonsense tangent.
Yes you are. You are glad-handing it because “your side” did it.
What was done was torture. If you don’t think so, you’re misguided.
What’s derailing the debate is partisan cheerleaders bobbing in and out, batting their eyelids and saying, “What torture?”
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Accounting for the evil GOP voters put in power did, isn’t trivial. It’s necessary so that we don’t have more evil done in our names.
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It is a pretty amazing kind of evil. The kind for which no individual is indicted or convicted. An abstract, insubstantial kind of evil.
Holy shit. That’s excluding a middle the size of the whole Arabian Pennisula. According to my good friend who was a Marine Drill Instructor at Parris Island, Terr’s description is 100% correct.
Evidence please. I’ve got mine. Check the title of this thread.
So what if it was stopped? If someone breaks into a house and rapes an entire family, it’s all cool if he stops before the cops get there?
Oh well, it stopped. Let bygones be bygones. It’s not happening right now, so nothing to see here! That’s drivel. And you ought to know it.
Try to keep up? I’m lapping you every other post. 
Nope. Your wrong. Repeatedly so. And when you spout this nonsense again, you will be wrong yet again.
Depends what specific act you’re referring to. Or in your brain is everything we did that was not nice, torture. What, no A1 with the steak? TORTURE!
Your good friend was full of shit.
Ask John McCain if what he experienced in Hanoi was the same as bootcamp. Just nonsense. Even making these arguments is insulting.
Also, you don’t know what an excluded middle is.
Of course, that is the perfect excuse. Some other group engaged in barbaric and ineffective actions, so we should too. Meanwhile, we reduce the amount of support we could get from potential friends and continue to encourage the recruiting efforts of our enemies by blatantly lying about our actions.
For me, it would be. 
Oh, really. Are you of the mind that all DIs administer punishment and training identically? Are you in possession of some special knowledge that that fantasy was true when Terr was in basic training? Have no DIs gone further than others? Too far? Do you know what, specifically, Terr went through and how it compared to the treatment of others under other DIs.
Of course I could ask Terr, but since you can Kreskin yourself into his head, thought I’d save the time and ask you.
Fox News sensationalist stories are not representative of reality bro
Right. Our enemies are massacring thousands handcuffed in ditches, executing women and children and beheading people on youtube videos. But our “potential friends” are turned away from us by us playing loud music at the captives or depriving them of sleep.
You fucking did it again! Holy shit. Please go look up Fallacies: Excluded Middle. And there’s even a more fundamental flaw in your logic.
Me: Great Danes are tall.
You: Giraffes are tall. Great Danes are not as tall as Giraffes!
Me: Oh, forgot who I was talking to. :rolleyes:
I am pretty sure that if we were asked, when sent on a forced march after 72 hours of being awake, if this was “torture”, the response would have been a unanimous “yes”. But nobody asked.
I believe you believe that. How dare you speak for tomndebb! He seems to know more about what you experienced than you do.
I’m not the one who thinks that pointing out that “your side” tortured people is a bad idea. I think Cheney ought to be hung. But that isn’t going to happen, so an accounting of the evil they did is necessary and laudable.
I’ve never said that.
Here’s some stuff for you to look at. Tell me what is and isn’t torture in your mind:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html
Or, possibly, putting those of them who hat the color purple in purple rooms, for days, maybe weeks, on end!
Oh, when did we lose out humanity?..
Is this really the hill you’re choosing to die on? It’s almost sillier than Terr’s.
Look, Terr is very clearly choosing not to understand what EIT and torture actually are. If you can show a direct equivalency between boot–even with a harsh DI–and the torture discussed in the Senate report, please do so.