Hanged.
Although, possibly also hung. He certainly has gigantic testicles.
Start another thread for this and I will. And list what you’d like me to respond to. Otherwise it will derail the current discussion and obfuscate the degree to which Michael Savage was right about the liberal mind.
I know what the fallacy is. Now explain, in clear language what middle I excluded in this post:
In it, I’m saying that if basic training is torture, in the sense that we treated our prisoners no harsher than basic training, then… now listen to this part… we must have done similar things to our soldiers in basic training.
My comment doesn’t include a list that is only partial in an attempt to limit possible responses. It specifically mentions actions we did, that are not done in most basic training scenarios.
So no, friend Magellan, there is no false dilemma here.
I aint dying. And this hill is a mere side trip to call someone on ridiculous debate tactics that, in essence, is calling someone a liar, because he things he knows better than the person what that person actually experienced.
Thank you. Also: http://wizbangblog.com/images/dickdick1.php <–Cheney’s Dick
I don’t have much interest in the that thread. Suffice to say, you aren’t willing to support your position.
Yanno…I just edited out my last response.
You’re actually kinda right. We have no way of knowing what Terr experienced, as everyone’s experiences are subjective. Perhaps he encountered legitimate torture from his DIs, in which case I hope to hell that man is punished to the fullest extent of military law. Or perhaps his experience was personally torturous, in which case I’m sorry for his pain and would very definitely recommend counseling.
Or perhaps, as I’m sure you’ll agree is most likely, he was not in any sense tortured in boot.
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Our potential friends have already declined to share intelligence with us on the grounds that we would abuse it or their sources. Making a sincere effort to correct our behavior–including admitting to it–could get us more cooperation to bring an end to the monsters that you seem to want us to emulate.
As to your nonsense about playing loud music or your dismissal of actual sleep deprivation, that is nothing more than avoiding the reality of the torture we inflicted. You are repeating the behavior of Limbaugh when he dismissed Abu Ghraib as frat pranks even though it had actually resulted in deaths.
How many of them were innocent? How many brand spanking new enemies did we harvest from this modest investment in horror? Certainly the survivors, no one could blame them for hating America now, even if they didn’t before. Their families, of course. Friends. Anyone who hears their story.
Tell them how abstract it is. How insubstantial.
You probably mean this (if not - cite?). If so, you’re not quoting it correctly. The allies didn’t want to “become implicated in the use of torture during interrogations”. Why? Because of stuff like this Congressional report. US cannot maintain secrecy, and if they collaborated with the US, it would become public. Who needs the hassle?
Not like that at all, actually.
And without any of the building-you-back-up part at all.
These are the people you are defending: people who say how impressed they are with anal rape as a form of punishment for prisoners who refuse to eat or drink.
Ah you’re one of those people who claims that the law that required an ultrasound before abortion was “rape” as well.
They had a safe, non-invasive means of hydrating prisoners, but chose this method specifically because it let them stick something up their ass to cause them distress. Of course it’s rape!
Fantasies. As you quoted yourself, it was more effective.
Do you understand why it was more effective?
As for your forced march after being awake for 72 hours, I weep for you. Seriously, it sounds very sad.
Meanwhile, prisoners were kept awake for 180 hours–more than a week at a time–in stress positions. That’s more than twice as long as you.
Your experience is not the same as the experience of the prisoners. Yeah, three days awake sounds really bad. Walking after those three days sounds bad. Now imagine that instead, for those three days, you’d been shackled into a painful position, hands above your head–and at the end of the three days, instead of having to go on a march, you were told you had another four days of sleeplessness in front of you.
They were raping prisoners into submission and your reaction is “Hey, it was more effective?”
Of course. So? If it worked, more effectively, to keep the prisoners from dying from thirst, great.
As compared to having your nails pulled with pliers (you know, “torture”)? Piece of cake.
Again, the “rape” is in your fantasies only.