If this was all about re-hydration, what’s all that stuff about foodstuffs being stuffed? How does that help in hydration?
Knocking out communications and supplies is incapacitating them. Cutting them off is incapacitating them. Being unable to operate is being incapacitated.
Inhibiting the enemy from being able to meet their goals is incapacitating them.
I made no mention of violence. It’s certainly not a requirement for incapacitation.
Reducing their capability or willingness to resist you is incapacitating them.
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The goal war is to incapacitate the enemy, to render them unable to function as they wish. A particular war may have other goals, but the aim of war is to incapacitate your enemy.
Also: I could be wrong, but would you mind pointing me to the medical journal or expert who recommends pureeing hummus, pasta with sauce, nuts, and raisins, and forcing them into someone’s rectum? Can you show me the doctor who considers this to be effective medical treatment? When a patient subject to this sort of violation later develops anal fissures and rectal prolapse, do you flutter your fingers and titter, “What a co-eenky-dink”?
How sure are you that you want to tie your horse to this cart?
Watch out. If I know magellan, he’s about to hoot with laughter at your excluded middle. He’s terribly non-partisan, so brace yourself for a scolding.
That is not what was being discussed.
No, what was being discussed was the forcible–and unnecessary–insertion of material into the rectum as a means of achieving compliance. A physical violation used as a tool of physical and psychological coercion.
It seems some persons do not lose the values of their birthplaces and time.
Well, that certainly settles that, then!
** Lefty**, what’s the matter with you, bringing up stuff that wasn’t being discussed! Clearly, the subject at hand is rectal hydration, for hygenic and medical purposes! Sure, what you are talking about is on the record as having happened, but its not what was being dicussed!
And Terr clearly called “No backsies!”. 'Fraid you don’t have a leg to stand on, here…
This is totally dodging the point as well…
There’s only one thing to be said -
Is there anything wrong with offering a 5 year old a soda?,
How many of the parents here have given there children a glass of grape soda when they came home from school?
I hope the disbelief in this thread regarding the subject is of the ignorant type and not the willful sort. I find the comparison between the consenting act of somebody enduring military tests over a weekend with the always present option of flunking out and being forcibly made to endure water, sleep and restraint torture over weeks and months to be particularly disingenuous. This is gulag type stuff as others have mentioned and it should be plain to anybody of any side of the debate that is the case.
Take your hypothetical, write it on a Post-It, and eat it. I said what I said, I see no need to repeat it in torture-porn format for your self-gratification.
False equivalency.
One was being told you have to have X otherwise you won’t get Y. Whether this is rape or not isn’t up for discussion, that’s a whole different thread. It is however, despite how distasteful it is to those experiencing it, something that the person has the option to decline.
The other is forcing someone against their will to have water rammed up their arse under the guise of “rehydration”, despite there being better, medical methods of doing it that magically don’t involve anal penetration.
As for doing it with food, are those sort of nutrients even absorbed/processed in the rectum? And let’s face it, the stuff isn’t going to stay in there for very long anyway.
Let’s try another tactic. If you were held against your will and forcibly had something anything forced up your arse, would you think you were anally raped? Let me guess your answer: “no because it wasn’t a penis”. Well I’m sorry, it doesn’t have to be a penis for it to be rape.
I honestly think this is a new low for this board. I really don’t know what to make of it.
No, there were plenty of attempts to excuse torture & claim that various horrible things didn’t count as torture the last time it was big in the news.
Driving people into psychosis or death does make enemies, yes.
The whole point of using such torture techniques is so they can be played down as “not really torture”. And it’s not like we don’t cheerfully kill people by the tens or hundreds of thousands.
As a rule no they don’t, because torture is a disastrously bad method of gaining information.
Agree 120%. If anyone makes the argument that exercises that are there to teach a recruit about conditions in the field during wartime is torture, they are completely wrong and should be laughed at. The comparison of a volunteer undergoing hardships in training = torture when the recruit know that it’s just training the whole time is completely off base.
-The prisoners had to endure cold cells (one died of hypothermia)
“But I nearly froze sleeping in a shitty canvas tent down at the range that time!”
-Prisoners were kept standing up for hours, some chained to a wall
“I had to stand at attention/port arms for hours in boot camp…and currently I use a stand up desk from IKEA!”
-Prisoners were waterboarded
“I got water in my sinuses during swim training!”
Even SERE training, which mimics actual torture, or BUDS, Ranger training, or any of the advanced schools are not torture-they suck, but they are still finite, and those who endure them know that it’s training and they will see their families again.
And they not be held down and anally raped.
It does not fucking matter what anybody else does. We signed a fucking agreement not to torture anybody for any reason whatsoever, period. Nothing that terrorists do can justify it nor is 9/11 a magic amulet that grants the US special dispensation from civilized behavior.
Two things strike me from this thread, how easily some people can justify true collective depravity. Second, Osama bin Laden really did win.
Just look at some of you: it’s horrifying, it’s fascist, its acceptably American.
No the friends of the USA are affronted by the use of a torture regime (which you are trying to minimize we can see by the selective quotes to the aspects that can be made to seem innocent, it is a very bolshevik habit) that is copied from the soviets who copied themselves from the nazis. it is not an accident even the name is effectively the same as that of the gestapo program which used the same methods.
This is untrue and again resembles the bolshevik habits of propaganda. It is in fact something done - this is why many countries such as the Brasil, the Morocco, the South africa have had the truth and reconciliation commissions to expose the state terror that is the torture and prevent the reoccurances. Even the French have opened the archives to historians to write about their similar errors and crimes which they committed against the Algerians.
The pretension that everyone hides is a false pretension, it is using a deception.
It probably depends on the person, but a week is probably close to the limit of human endurance. I know personally that sleep deprivation of a few days is really unpleasant – close to the worst physical discomfort of my life. A week would be unimaginable.
According to me, who was trained (at Navy OCS) by some Marine Drill Instructors from Parris Island, nothing in Basic Training is comparable to the torture detailed in the Senate report.