Thank you for recasting your words. It is not clear to me who annoyed who in the past in this scenario. We have not established these people ever met before. (We did discuss the possibility that they might have.)
But no, one should not knock people over because they annoyed one in the past. Obviously.
But as I said, that has nothing to do with this.
Oh, good.
But then why is it relevant whether the police might have recognized the protestor?
Are you agreeing that it’s not relevant? And if so, why bring it up?
I did not bring up the idea that these people might have known each other. Someone else brought it up. I thought it was an interesting idea that needs to be looked at. Again, it is all in the thread in black & white.
You said
5 points in your OP excused the cops behavior. 5 out of 6.
You are free to believe whatever you want to believe about your words. Clearly you believe some odd things about what you’ve written.
That doesn’t change the fact that your words are why people are saying you are working very hard to excuse the cops behavior.
Yes. I did not say his falling was the next thing to an accident. The policemen pushed him. The policeman knew people fall over when they are pushed. The citizen fell very hard and cracked his head. That is a very unusual result of a push. (Although in the law it probably is a direct result of the push.)
What I have clearly said is that this needs to be looked into. The situation is more complex than it at first appears. The officers need to be suspended at once. (Which of course they were.) The police union is simply stirring up stuff by having those policemen quit their special squad. The man wanted an interaction with the police.
He wanted to be ARRESTED , to demonstrate the folly of the law. He did not want to be ASSAULTED. Why would it be ok for cops to assault people in place of arresting them? I mean, can they start punching people instead of giving them speeding tickets?
You keep saying *complex *like an investigation needs to determine the coefficient of friction of the victim’s shoes. He was pushed over by the cop where no push appears necessary. What is the investigation going to determine that changes that view? An investigation is being carried out, it doesn’t appear to be a complex issue at all.
You haven’t made a reasonable case for any complexity or nuance. The vast majority of your points are non-sequiturs and don’t require additional investigation.
Sorry that I missed who first mentioned it.
Why do you think it “needs to be looked at”?
Drive by NFC hacking is the new thing getting pushed.
Just by the way, President Trump has entered into this, slandering the injured man.
Honestly, I would like to know what the heck was going on with this guy, those policemen, who was trying to do what? Further I would like to know what the heck the law says about their actions. I would like to know what happened.
I also hope the guy in the hospital recovers quickly & completely.
Excuse me. I am going to listen to podcasts. I am return to this thread in the morning.
What happened is what the video showed, and is what’s happening across the country. The police are using excessive force and disregard for safety against protesters.
A medic station was destroyed and the medics injured by the police. No explanation given. Car tires slashed by the police. People just sitting in their cars yanked out. The police are entering into these situations with the mindset that the protesters are the enemy to be fought, not community members to be protected.
It’s just not that complicated. The police shoved a guy and walked past him as he bled. They lied about it until video evidence appeared. The did this because they saw him as the enemy.
If only Trump had stuck with ‘just asking questions’ to minimize the police officers’ culpability instead.
What doesn’t seem to be coming up here (I have to admit to furious scrolling after a while, lol, so i may be wrong) is that from multiple reports the old man was just trying to return a police helmet he found on the ground. If you watch the video closely, that’s exactly what it looks like he’s holding in his left hand when he gets shoved, a police helmet. That should clear up intent.
What doesn’t seem to be coming up here (I have to admit to furious scrolling after a while, lol, so i may be wrong) is that from multiple reports the old man was just trying to return a police helmet he found on the ground. If you watch the video closely, that’s exactly what it looks like he’s holding in his left hand when he gets shoved, a police helmet. That should clear up intent.
Aw fuck me silly. I know that you didn’t make this up, but whoever did should be ashamed of themselves.
So, a good citizen, who has been previously arrested four times for crimes during protesting, finds a police helmet, and decides to show up on the street, after curfew, and hand the lost police helmet to officers who he knows are on active duty and presently on a mission to clear the street?
And while doing so, waives a cell phone in his right hand, striking the officer on the hand with it and continues to waive it at his belt?
The department was closed the next day? They needed this helmet back immediately? Shit, I’m glad he didn’t find a police gun and point it at them asking for them to accept its safe return.
A political tip to whoever made this up: When you’re winning, don’t start losing.
Man, that’s some high quality misrepresentation you’ve got going there. How about: A protestor who is already out on the street after curfew (he’s protesting, after all) happens to find a police helmet laying around, sees a policeman and takes the opportunity to return it.
Or is that framing simply too at odds with your agenda? :rolleyes:
“Striking the officer”? Are you fucking serious? Looks to me like he is simply gesturing while holding a phone. Get the fuck outta here with that nonsense. :rolleyes:
He is holding a police helmet. Who the hell lost it and wasn’t looking for it?
Arrested, no convictions.
Knowing each other doesn’t help. In San Jose, a guy who trained the police about bias tried to defuse a tense situation. He got shot in the nuts for his effort.
Story here.
BTW, I’m 68, and while I look young for my age any cop who thinks I’m 30 or even 40 is so blind that he needs a new job - like MLB umpire.
UltraVires, any other explanation for why he was carrying the helmet rather than wearing it? Because, you know, that’s what people usually do with helmets when interacting with violent people.
He got in the way of the police knowing they were moving the crowd back. He toppled over like it was his first day standing on 2 legs. A normal reaction would have been to step back to maintain balance. It’s not even something that a person thinks about. It’s a natural response of walking.
Given that he did this knowing he would be moved back I would say he deliberately fell for the fame and the go-fund-me money to follow.