Or, you know, like he was elderly and not as steady on his feet as he once was. :rolleyes:
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with some of you?
From a cop,
It’s a longer read, but def worth it! Check it out.
Given the vileness of this statement, I would say you’re deliberately posting inflammatory things for the fame and warnings to follow.
Speaking as an ex-gymnast, you’re 100% completely wrong. If you’re pushed faster than you can get your feet in position under you, you will fall. Ever see a gymnast fall after a dismount?
Oh, yes you did. Your exact words from your OP:
And I’m the second poster who pointed this out. The more you contradict yourself, the worse your credibility starts to look.
It’s clear to anyone not looking to defend police brutality that Martin Gugino never “struck” the officer with his phone. Please don’t spread misinformation.
A dismount involves rotation of mass. If you don’t time it right then it’s velocity times weight.
This person went TO the police. There’s no other reason than deliberate physical confrontation and he knew in advance they were going to move him back. Pushing him back was not a tactic to knock him on his ass.
he knows he’s going to get pushed back yet he does it anyway. What motive and result do you think he was looking for?
Is your ignorance of needscoffee’s actual argument:
Intentional or accidental?
“all cops are bastards” is not a statement that is likely made by an officer. I’ve seen many cops dealing with people who were not rational in their behavior and they kept their cool. they did so because that is how they were trained and it keeps things from escalating further. It’s in their best interest.
Forgive me. I certainly mistyped that comment, one of my last of the evening.
What I wanted to say was the policeman pushed the citizen on purpose. That surely was not an accident. The man fell over. That may or may not have been what the policeman wanted to happen. The guy cracked his head and was hospitalized. I think that might have been the “next thing to an accident.”
I base this guess on the fact there are much more direct ways to toss a guy to the ground than a stiff arm and much better ways to crack a man’s head open.
But the policeman’s intent, while interesting, does not absolve him completely. The falling was certainly a direct cause of the push. The cracking his open probably was too.
But his intent is important. Was this a murderous assault or was it a push gone wrong?
Forgive me if I mislead you with last night’s comments. I was tired and I do not write very well.
I found this information about the helmet very interesting. It was sort of odd to see the footage of the guy walking around with a helmet in his hand.
As there is no proof that he was pushed beyond his capacity or that an attempt was made to do so. That leaves the deliberate act of confrontation knowing it will result in being pushed back.
What it comes down to is that there is no indication the officer deliberately tried to hurt this person. There is evidence that the person deliberately engaged the police instead of leaving the area. It’s sad he got hurt but he inserted himself in a situation where he was likely to be pushed back.
No point in arguing with anything as fucked-up as this response.
No, he wanted to be PEACEFULLY ARRESTED. That is the point of civil disobedience.
There was no need to use force. Peaceful illegal activity doesn’t give the police license to assault you.
I have no idea why he approached the police. I would like to know. But there is nothing wrong with approaching a policeman. He does seem to have touched a policeman for whatever reason.
I do not understand what you are trying to say. I am not aware of anyone saying something about “just asking questions.”
In order to get arrested you have to do something that requires arrest.
There’s no reason to interfere with a lawful order. See how that works. Police forming a line and pushing people back is routine and necessary to clear an area.
This was not Minneapolis where almost everybody on the planet want to take a 2x4 to the officers for what they did to Mr. Floyd. This was a guy being a dick for no useful purpose. There’s no obvious intent in the video to hurt him.
He was violating the order to clear the area. Because it was a stupid order, and had at is heart the desire to limit the right to free speech. In a society based on rule of law, he’d have been arrested. Then, the state could take him to court and prosecute him for violating the order. In doing so, it would make it clear to the world that the state’s intent in giving the order was not to preserve the peace but to stifle speech. That’s how civil disobedience works. People are willing to pay the price of breaking an unjust law in order to call upon the conscience of the community.
But we don’t have a society of laws. Rather than enforce the laws of the state, the police are just roughing them up. This is intentional. They don’t want to have to defend “clearing the area” because there was no need to, no threat to public safety. They want to hurt people just enough that they will give up, but not so much that it also calls upon the conscience of the community.
I do not see how any conservative, how anyone who believes in the concept of due process and checks on the tyranny of the state can think society is better served by cops just roughing up people instead of arresting them.
You left out the part where people are looting and destroying property. This is why they clear the streets. There is no other practical way to do this while the arsonists are embedded among the protesters.
We have a society of laws and people are entitled to be protected from the inevitable chaos that comes from these protests. From what I’ve seen from the various protests the protesters are given a great deal of time to express themselves and it’s much later in the day when the rioters and looters start in. There has to be a balance between the 1st amendment and the right to live peaceably in a community.
When people look back at the 60s and are aghast at how people could accept the police using dogs and hoses this thread shows why that could happen.
And why it could happen again.
And why it will happen again.