No, but that’s who you’re talking about when one group is so very disproportionately killed by police.
If this is the story that I’ve just heard about, then yes this was totally unacceptable. Why do police in the states ave guns and why are they so gun-happy?
I totally agree, this cop that unnecessarily killed an innocent person, did fuck up. However, “time” is not enough. It should be made as such, that if a cop kills someone unlawfully, like in this example, they should be killed too! :mad:
After all, the saying goes “a life for a life”.
YES! You’ve summed it up properly there - police should be de-escalating issues and sorting them out in a responsible manner - not being total animals with guns and trying to beat/kill the fuck out of people!
The “police” that act in this manner are behaving worse than the criminals that they are catching!
Thank fuck I live in the UK, where none of this nonsense happens. The UK police use Tasers. They don’t kill people.
Doubtful.
Cops have had no problem beating people to death.
I dont think its a great thing that anyone gets shot, tased, or beaten by police.
We can trot out Tamir Rice, or a half a dozen situations that are totally inexcusable. It would be a hell of an improvement if those 10 or 20 out of 320 million of us were the only ones.
Regardless of what your percieved or self identified ethnic origin fighting the police is stupid, it will never improve the outcome.
This will only “solve”* a tiny percentage of shootings. And then those are the ones people generally don’t get upset with.
- As in, people who are drunk, high, have mental problems, etc. and are belligerent will automatically take this advice. Solved, right?:dubious:
If you are drunk and ram into a pole, and die its your own fault
If you are drunk and go apeshit on a cop and get shot, then its the cops fault?
Well it does say “police shootings”.
The solution is not hiring bullies, racists and cowards as police officers.
I think one good example of the difference between the US and Canada is the Justin Bourque case in Moncton, NB, in June, 2014. 24-year-old Bourque kills three RCMP officers, and severely injures two others. Manhunt goes on for two days, and he’s apprehended. Not killed. I still commend the professionalism the RCMP showed, in not just blowing his head off when he stepped out of the bushes at the end of the ordeal. How do you suppose this would have ended in the US?
Philando Castile, shot in Minnesota, was legally carrying a concealed weapon when he was shot. Wonder if the NRA is going to have something to say about this.
You definitely got that 100% exactly and perfectly …
wrong!!!
You couldn’t be more wrong is actually true in this case.
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And 12 yo Tamir Rice, playing with a toy gun, in a park, in Cleveland, who was shot 2 seconds after the police arrived and before any questions were asked.
Bob
It’s such a sad story. You can hear in the cop’s voice that he is overwhelmed by what he did. I think he knew he fucked up big-time; he is anguished and wishes he hadn’t shot the guy.
The victim is not to blame but, that being said, you have to be so, so, so very careful when you have just told the cop that you have a handgun on your person.
Hindsight is 20/20 of course, but I don’t think I would try to go for my wallet to show the cop my papers until he told me exactly how he wanted me to go about it.
I am by no means adding that every shooting is justified. But the fact is that white people are shot by police more than black people. About 2 to 1 over the past decade If memory serves. I’m on my phone at the moment so I’m not searching for a cite, but do a Google for the figures.
If you are going to state something as fact, please be sure it is a fact.
What happens when you’re not fighting and have no plans on fighting, but the police office thinks you’re doing something threatening? Or about to do something threatening? Or you look like the kind of person that the police officer thinks is likely to be threatening?
What he stated is a fact (I did the actual googling). Six percent of the people in the United States are black men. Forty percent of the people who get killed by the police in the United States are black men. That’s disproportionate.
Most of the cop shootings you hear about don’t seem to have anything to do with resisting arrest. Some of them are about people trying to run away from police and getting shot in the back, which is sort of resisting arrest, but if you figure you have a good chance of being beaten badly after they catch you, you’d probably try to run too.
Here’s a possible scenario based on some of what I’ve read about the incident. As Philander Castile was reaching for his wallet he simultaneously told the officer he had a CCW. Immediately after but basically at the same time his wife/girlfriend yells to the cop he has a license to carry. The cop thinks he’s being set up so as not to be alarmed if he sees a weapon. So he yells don’t move. Castile keeps reaching for his wallet, the cop freaks and thinks that since Castile is disobeying he’s probably going for his weapon, and he starts firing.
It was a bad deal all the way around, and pretty much a perfect storm of unfortunate circumstances that ultimately lead to Castile’s death. But sometimes things are just going to go bad in a way that is no particular person’s fault. What happened to Castile was a tragedy but I don’t necessarily see evil intent on the part of the cop.
In the case of the guy in Baton Rouge, I believe that his being a convicted felon in possession of a gun meant an automatic trip back to prison if he was arrested. Plenty of incentive to resist there (and an example of how sometimes ‘obey’ just isn’t gonna happen). But I agree with the OP that in the vast majority of these cases the shootings wouldn’t happen if only people would calmly cooperate with the officer’s instructions. I imagine the number of cops truly desirous of shooting somebody is vanishingly small.
Three officers would still be alive? Just a guess…