The Sopranos, 25 years later... (open spoilers, even in OP)

Somebody spliced together all the malapropisms.

I think there are a lot more than that and that’s not even counting all the irregardlesses.

The best thing about the malapropisms is how they were totally unafraid to place them even in tense, dramatic scenes.

Whatever happened to the guy that escaped?

Having grown up in North Jersey, I’m 99% sure it does indeed just mean “steak sandwich.”

I always thought that it might have been his people that actually hit Tony in the end. As shown throughout the series the gangs often used hitmen from other areas to deflect attention from them. Someone who didn’t look like an interior decorator would be an obvious choice.

“in the end” is, who… Paulie?

I like the theory that it was Little Carmine and Butch who had Tony whacked. In several scenes - at the hospital when Phil has a heart attack, and when Tony personally maims someone in a restaurant (I forget who) and points a gun at Butch - it’s clear that Butch really hates Tony

WIth Tony & Phil Leotardo at a sit-down ready for peace, Little Carmine makes an insensitive comment about Billy Leotardo’s murder and sets Phil off again. Deliberate rather than stupid? Phil goes off the deep end and declares war, encouraged by Butch. Butch’s crew hit Bobby and Silvio, but fail to get Tony, then Butch pretends to get cold feet about all-out war. Butch reaches out to Tony and accedes to Phil getting whacked to end it. Tony takes out Phil and complacently thinks it’s all over, but the plan all along was to take out Phil and Tony leaving Little Carmine and Butch in a dominant position.

A steak sandwich is a grilled steak laid on pieces of toast. It is served open face, and you eat it with a knife and fork. If it’s a steak in a sandwich that you pick up and eat with bread on both sides, it’s called something else. It is kind of old-fashioned. I don’t think I’ve seen it on a menu in years.

Yeah, but if it was part of some grand plan then why didn’t Butch just give Tony Phil’s location instead of being coy about it?

Butchie may have thought that giving up his boss immediately to Tony might arouse Tony’s suspicion. Recall that Tony called off the hit on Carmine Sr. when he started to feel hinky about Johnny Sack’s ambition to grab the top spot.

In addition to what @SwissMan said - he didn’t need to, and it looked better if he wasn’t involved at all. If it looks like a war where Phil & Tony are the primary antagonists and they both end up dead on each other’s orders, it’s a lot more palatable for the underbosses/capos who were loyal to one or the other to come on board with the new regime.

I don’t think that computes because Tony is walking into that sit-down knowing Butchie is ready to give up Phil. That’s a Rubicon they already crossed together so just give him the location and be done with it.

It would look better to who? To the 5 other guys at the sit-down who already know he’s deeply involved? Or to everyone else who ostensibly wouldn’t know anything about any of it, so why not just give up Phil’s location and get it all over with?

I’m not sure why you think this is such a stumbling block. Tony’s hitmen found Phil pretty soon, and it’s not clear that Butch even knew exactly where Phil was at that moment anyway.

There are a lot more capos than the guys in that warehouse meeting. If the aim is to minimize the chances of it being seen as a betrayal of Phil by Butch, better to not make it obvious that someone betrayed Phil by revealing some secret location.

Technically, the way he did it, Butch didn’t exactly betray Phil. He has plausible deniability in that all he really did was tell Tony that if Tony killed Phil, Butch would accept it and not relentlessly pursue revenge. That could be important in whether others subsequently see him as having violated their bullshit code of honor.

Tony’s guys weren’t finding Phil anytime soon without the massive assist from Harris. Butch could have just said “I don’t know where he is” but he didn’t.

Once Phil is dead and Butch doesn’t make a move against Tony and he pays off Janice for Bobby being whacked, it is going to be obvious to all those other capos and soldiers that Butch was involved one way or another. (Especially considering they’re New York and Jersey is historically nothing more than a glorified crew.) So since the cat is inevitably going to come out of the bag, just serve up Phil.

I’d say he did technically betray Phil because he violated the mafia code of loyalty, that whole thing about how their souls will burn like the card burning in their hand if they betray the family or their friends. If sitting down with the enemy of your boss and even tacitly approving of his murder and forswearing revenge isn’t a betrayal in that life, I’m not sure what is.

It’s all a moo point anyway (a Friends malaprop instead of a Sopranos one) because the thematic reason Butch doesn’t give up Phil’s location is so that Agent Harris can do it and they can end his arc on saying the “We’re gonna win this thing!” line.

Just finished the series.

Tony & Carmela are horrible parents. They express disappointment when Meadow decides not to be a pediatrician and instead be a criminal defense attorney. Tony’s first reaction to AJ’s attempted suicide is to yell at him.

I do have to say that the final season had some really good storylines and moments. The problem was you had to go through the first 5 seasons to get there.

I subscribe to the theory that Little Carmine planned with Butch to take out both Phil and Tony. The failed meetings with Phil? Telling Tony he doesn’t want to be the head of the family? All misdirection and now Little Carmine becomes the head of New York and tries for Jersey too now that the leadership is gone.

I get how The Sopranos was groundbreaking, but Breaking Bad did it better.

Well, the Little Carmine as awkwardly-speaking survivor/schemer inspired by Claudius is supported by naming another character Livia

Or he could just be a fucking idiot. Historically, that’s been the case.