I think I’m going to start switching the meanings of my adjectives. From now on, I’m going to use the word “gay” as in “awesome, different or unique.”
“My new cell phone has so many features and many different ring tones. It’s so gay!”
“Look at those gay flowers! I’ve never seen their type before!”
And then “straight” will mean “plain, ordinary, or mediocre.”
“My friend Peter is such a boring, straight singer; he sings with no feeling whatsoever.”
Do you think this will catch on? 
fushj00mang, I’ve got some questions for you:
One, you say
Using your heterosexuality as one of the four defining characteristics of who you are. Sounds like sexuality is very very integral to your ego and person. But then you go on to say:
(bolding mine)
So, which is it? Is sexuality important, or is it not? If its so important to you, it makes sense that it might be very important to other people as well, no?
Again, big fucking whoop that you’re straight. You were born that way, so who cares. So why is calling you a fag such a big deal? Sounds like you want to wear your ‘straight’ medal loud and proud for all the world to see, but we don’t care.
Another point:
You said to Exprix,
You offer him nothing but a catch-22. You insult the GLBTY community, then tell him that if he is offended it proves that he has something to be ashamed about? The fact is, he is offended because he is a smart guy, and perceives that he has been insulted, and insulted because of his sexuality (which you both do and do not seem to hold in very high importance).
So, he can either not be offended and affirm insults through lack of objection (didn’t you tell LaurAnge she should have said something if it really bothered her?), or he can affirm those insults by the very act of speaking against them.
Please explain.
how do u know a phone is lesbian?
It gets really angry at anonymous ppl on the internet lol
foostav, I have not, in this thread, disclosed what my sexual orientation is.
Nor will I admit to the baseless allegation that I am a phone.
LaurAnge claims to be a cellular device, but she’s may or may not be telling the truth. She’s such a phony!
Ow! Ow! Stop kicking me! Ow!
I wonder if we’ll be seeing fushj00mang back in this thread again. I also wonder if we made a difference.
Esprix
Sorry about taking a bit to get back to this thread. The base is entertaining guests (some guys from the 156th FW, Vermont ANG) and I’ve been helping intergrate their SF staff into ours.
Esprix,
It does so elude me. Please spread your pearls of homosexual wisdom! Please enlighten me with this gay knowledge. Your queer information will be welcome.
Ok, now, tell me what was the intent behind my use of homosexual, gay, and queer. Can you? From how I read it, it could be derogatory and edged. Or, they could be simple descriptive adjectives indicating that the information is about homosexuals. See the problem here? You may take these terms as insulting, when the ‘offending’ party means nothing. The frank problem is that you don’t know, and thus simply jump to the defensive. You perceive an insult where there is none. My rifle was gay as fuck two weeks ago when it misfired, nearly costing me my requal. So, how do I mean gay?
Well, yea. Would you perfer we rewind to 1973, when homosexuality was a mental illness? I mean, I’ve got a copy of the DMSD-IIa around here somewhere. Your group keeps reaching for more, and more, and more, when there is no more to be had. Prejudices exist, and you’re not going to stop that by marching and making general asses of yourselves. Are you proud of the accomplishments that you and your community have made? If you are, then who cares if I don’t give a rats ass about Lawrence v. Texas, or the removal of homosexuality from the Diagnostic manual of Mental and Social Disorders? I accept my gay friends for who they are, and tolerate you. Why? They’re content that they can vote, cohabitate, and engage in all the other guarenteed rights of Americans. They can’t be committed for being gay any more than I can for being straight. You’ve reached the goddamned plateau. Stop looking for a mountain to climb. There isn’t one. Get over it.
Quite. Thanks for supplying the name, as I’d forgotten it. Both groups seek to segregate themselves from the general American population by forcing policy into their camps. The comparison between your groups isn’t based on your group’s mission statements, so much as it is on your aims, ways, and means. You bully ‘anti-gay’ companies into creating ‘pro-gay’ policy, browbeat governments into supporting gays, and the idea of ‘mutual understanding’ is a load of bullshit. You’re not looking for mutual understanding, you’re looking for advancement. I don’t accept every straight person I meet, so why should I accept every gay person? Is being homosexual a positive which puts you above all straight people? And, if its mutual understanding you want, then why not have some sort of dialogue between the leaders of the gay and lesbian communtiy and the leaders of the straight community? Oh wait, its because we don’t have ‘straight community leaders.’ If we were to do that, you’d scream that we now have poster children for anti-gay descrimination! You’re looking for an edge in your being gay, and its stupid.
What ‘rights’ are you being denied? Tell me. You have the right to free speech, religion, assembly, press, the right to bear arms, the right to protection from unwarrented search and seizure, the right against self incrimination, the right against cruel and unusual punishments. You can vote at 18, you can own property, you have all the same rights as I do. And you have MORE legal protection. If I was to be killed right now by an act of supreme violence, the police would investigate. If you, being homosexual, were to be killed in an act of violence, then it would be investigated more thouroughly (SIC) than my death would, because you’re homosexual. You want equal rights? You’ve got 'em. You want equal protection? Well, then we have to remove any and all hate crime legislation from the books. Sorry bub, but that shit doesn’t fly.
You mis-spoke. Its not a minority issue here, but an issue within your own community. If it were a minority issue, then I’d have to know it because I am one. Since you seem to want to equate the issue of sexual prefrence to race, lets play! I’m half-asian. If I were to apply into the UC system, I’d face a harder time getting in than a white, a black, or an indian applicant. We’re ‘overrepresented’ in California colleges, so we’re discriminated against. Just because my mother is Korean. Now you, being gay, get an edge. Its considered ‘overcoming an obsticle’ in your growth and development. So, you being a minority (gay) means you are more deserving of that college slot than me, because I’m a minority (asian)? Again, bub, that shit doesn’t fly.
How can you equate straight marrage to being gay? You’ve got a boyfriend/girlfriend/whatever. So, do you ever talk about it in a rational matter? When someone pops up with a story about their children, or their husband/wife/signifigant other, do you then bandy about another one about your boyfriend/girlfriend/signifigant other? I doubt it. That would be too easy, or simple. Hell, it may just get you a bit of that acceptance thing you so crave. But…then you couldn’t sit on your pity-pot anymore. No, you must remain hostile, because that gives you meaning in life! You have to look at those wedding bands and loathe the gems and gold, knowing that they are a status symbol of the facist straight system. Oh, and those children! Those disgusting larvae! No more of them to be coddled over in photographs and stories. Nay, because you (being homosexual) cannot have one by your partner, they must be done away with! pause I’m just acting retarded, what’s your excuse?
I may not have been clear earlier. When I said “In the street” I meant IN THE STREET. I haven’t seen a ‘straight pride rally,’ ever. Not once. Why? Because its a stupid concept. So why the fuck should you be allowed to march because of your sexual prefrence? Oh yea…its because you (by shouting, banner waving, and bullying legitimate governments) want to have a mutual understanding with straight people. Silly me. Or would it be ‘gay’ me?
Tell ME why I should change MY speech patterns and slang usage to satisfy YOU. You find it insulting. I don’t. I avoid the term ‘fag’ because its derogatory. I avoid the term ‘queer’ because it has been derogatory. I use the term ‘gay’ because it means to me what it means to me (I’ve already defined it, so yea, there ya’ go.) I didn’t say “Fucking homo rifle” or “Goddamned queer rifle.” I said “That was gay.” I SAY “That’s gay.” You give me a reason, and I’ll consider it.
Once again, Humpty Dumpty would be proud.
Now if you do the same thing for the word gay, you’ll see
gay (g) adj., -er, -est, n., adv.— adj.1. having or showing a merry, lively mood: gay spirits. 2. bright or showy: gay colors. 3. given to or abounding in social or other pleasures: a gay social season. 4. licentious; dissipated; wanton: a wild, gay life. 5. homosexual. 6. indicating or pertaining to homosexual interests or issues: a gay organization. — n.7. a homosexual person, esp. a male.
But we all know the way gay is used makes it offensive, and it is my opinion that when homophobia is used, it is not in the context of aversion to. And discrimination against is fairly vague.
Wow. So many justifications for prejudice.
My work is never done. {sigh} 
Esprix
Esprix,
You still didn’t answer my question. Which rights are you denied? Grab your copy of the Constitution, and point.
Let’s start with marriage.
Esprix
Well, let’s see. Discrimination in housing and employment. Discrimination in family law - not just marriage, but also adoption, natural filiation, next-of-kin status, and wills. Discrimination in police response both in crimes Queer people commit and crimes they are victims of. Social discrimination, prejudice, exclusion, hatred, intimidation, and violence. To say nothing of the multiple countries in the world where the penalty for homosexual sex ranges from a prison term to death.
That is such a black argument.
(No, really, I’m using “black” to mean “worthless and stupid.” It doesn’t mean anything about black people. Of course it doesn’t! This has been closed-captioned for the sarcasm impaired.)
Christ, would you like some seltzer with that paranoia? You’re beginning from the basis that everything for Queer people is hunky dory, and therefore our attempts to bring ourselves up to baseline are unacceptable advancements.
Well, actually, it’s because that’s somehow considered “flaunting” when I talk about my boyfriend in the same way that straight people talk about their s.o.'s. Reminds me of the time I was chatting with some co-workers, and Remi told a funny story, and I had a similar one, which I began, “Well, my boyfriend…” Sam leapt up from the table, growled “I don’t want to hear this,” and scattered to the back of the store.
Oh, sweet goddess. When we say “closed-captioned for the sarcasm impaired,” it’s fucking not a joke anymore.
Nobody’s forcing you to do anything. I give you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t mean to insult people; so I let you know if you say something insulting, presuming you didn’t mean it. If you persist, I can only assume that you mean to insult me.
Gay Boi: What I object to is that you automatically treat me like an inferior!
fushj00mang: Well, I am straight! (And a violent sociopath at that.)
Gay Boi: Oh, Straight, eh, very nice. And how d’you get that, eh? By introducing the homos’ faces to the wall! By 'anging on to outdated homophobic tripe which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there’s ever going to be any progress …
[snip]
fushj00mang: Shut up, will you? Shut up!
Gay Boi: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
fushj00mang: Shut up!
Gee, it’s amazing how little rework that needed.
Hooray for the cavalry.
Esprix
matt_mcl,
Welcome to the conversation.
Well, tell me this. When you’re being discriminated against with housing and employment, how do you know its about your sexual orientation? Is there a question on the application asking ‘A: Straight B: Gay C:Other’? As far as social discrimination, prejudice, exclusion, hatred, intimidation, and violence, the only thing you can do anything about is the violence and intimidation parts. The rest are not going to be changed, no matter how many times y’all march. Its sad, yes, but it doesn’t change that people don’t often change. And as far as the ‘other countries,’ unless you’re living in one of those ‘other countries,’ its a moot argument.
Well, you did all you could. Kudos. Just because ‘Sam’ is an ass, doesn’t mean you did the wrong thing, as you seem to have done so in an even manner.
Homebrew,
Cute, real cute. I guess that makes me king?
Esprix,
Point to me, in the Constitution, where ‘marriage’ is a right. Uh huh. Thought so.
Right - because things won’t change, we shouldn’t bother to try.
And you have no problems with same-sex couples being given the same rights as opposite-sex couples regarding equal treatment under the law?
Esprix
LOVING v. VIRGINIA, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)
There’s more to our Rights than just the words written in the Constitution.
And just because I love matt_mcl so much, I’m going to steal a relevant quote from his quote page
And I’ll throw in this oldie but goodie for good measure:
Amen.
Esprix
Is it just me, or does it sound like he’s asking you for a necklace?