So, what did you mean when you stated -
[QUOTE=Mickiel]
I don’t know what the Quran is, I have never studied it, and have no views on it. What do you think it is?
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You clearly know what it IS - as you have one.
Case? I am not presenting a case, I am listing proven history. I often wonder at times why its ignored; but that aside, because its a mystery to me why one can list things in history and they be ignored or maybe just not believed, all of what I listed has already been substantiated, such as;
Ezk. 29:15, Egypt would never again rule over other nations, this was written between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled in 1967 , during my life time! Ohhh, stunning biblical prophecy.
You suggested all of its archaeology is right, and it isn’t.
So the prophecy that Egypt would never again rule over other nations was “fulfilled” after Egypt ruled over other nations for 2,500 more years?
I don’t know what the Quran is, I have no interest in it, but that is not to say I never will. I have very little interest in religion, but I am highly interested in the events in the Middle East, which is changing my interest in religion. I will admit to that.
Well it’s not like the Quran has had much impact on events in the Middle East.
I am surprised you have not requested a cite.
For something to be considered a proper prediction/prophesy, it must:
- Predict what will happen.
- Predict where it will happen.
- Predict when it will happen.
- Do these three things before the event happens.
If you are interpreting the word “never” to mean “for another 2,500 years,” I don’t need a cite.
Well anyhow, back to topic,
If hell is real, why wasn’t Cain warned about it? Why wasn’t Sodom and Gomorrah warned about it?
If hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the bible?
If hell is real, why didn’t the Apostle Paul, of all people, warn about it in any of his letters?
It also needs to be pretty darn specific on all three of those things.
How about heaven?
- Because he wasn’t told about it.
- Does it?
- Because he didn’t get around to talking about it.
a) Cain was one of 4 people alive at the time - no one else ‘knew’ to warn him - and god likes keeping secrets - or maybe due to Cain, Hell was created.
b) prove those roots are teh same
c) because he wasn’t concerned with it? ask him.
Interesting responses; but if hell is real why is it not mentioned even once in the book of Acts in any evangelistic sermons by the first Apostles?
If hell is real, why does some of the best bible scholars and teachers say its not in the original texts? ( William Barclay, John A.T. Robinson, Lightfoot, Westcott, FW Farrar, Marvin Vincent,) ect…
Do you have ‘all’ of the ‘evangelistic sermons by the first Apostles’ or just a sample?
Isn’t it enough that its mentioned by JESUS himslef as well as John for the ‘end times’ ?
What makes them the ‘best’ bible scholars? becuase they espouse an opinion you agree with?
Also - they had just been promised that "the new kingdom would come’ before some of them died - they clearly were not worried about the ‘afterlife’ at thta point in time. Thier message was focused on this ‘Good News’ and no need for ‘dire consequences’ was needed.
[QUOTE=JESUS@ Mathew 16:28]
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
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[del](Note to Mickiel: This isn’t really intended to be a response to your post, nor is it addressed to you)
NOW are all of you guys willing to get down off your high horses about me being a “PRESCRIPTIVIST”? :rolleyes:[/del]
Mickiel, you appear to be using this cavil as an excuse to not address the substance of monavis’s post. I’ll go so far as to say that you appear to be pretending that you don’t understand the substance of the post.
Do you deny that of the other major religions in the world (such as Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Shintoism [add as many others as you are willing to concede count as “major”]) NONE of them claim some version of the OT + NT Bible* as a primary scriptural source? If you do deny that, please list the ones that do claim it as a primary scriptural source, and provide some evidence that they do.
Do you deny that of the major scriptural sources extant in the world today (such as the Torah, any version of the OT + NT Bible*, the Koran, the Baghavad Gita, Dianetics, the Book of Mormon [add as many others as you are willing to concede count as “major”]) ONLY some version of the OT + NT Bible* is used as the primary scriptural source by every sect which calls itself “Christian?” Again: if you do deny that, please list another scripture that you believe all Christian sects use.
*(for the purposes of this post, “OT + NT Bible” means any version of the Bible that includes both the Old Testament and the New Testament, and I specify it here to distinguish it from the Torah)
If you do not deny either of the above, I can only infer from your rant above that you are pretending to believe that when people point out that you embrace the “Christian Bible” they might be falsely claiming that any or all Christian sects are attempting to assert intellectual property rights over it.
There is really no excuse for not knowing that “Christian Bible” is a perfectly valid term for describing the set of scriptures that you have been discussing in this thread. So, I’ll come out and say it" “The Christian Bible” is a perfectly valid term for describing the set of scriptures you have been discussing in this thread, and you know it.
I DO hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me for telling you what it is that you know.
Don’t worry about it. Virtually nobody here buys it.
The trouble is, the way he is doing this might cause some to rethink their position on the matter.
Like I said upthread, if I claimed that the Wizard of Oz is true, and you asked me for evidence, and I told you Kansas exists and there are tornadoes so there.
What would your response to that be?