The Taxonomy of Manliness - an Observation

I suspect that this has been done somewhere on line and I am simply not aware of it…

I am trying to work with my pre-teen son about these very important facts. There’s a lot to cover. In my observation:

  • You can be a Dude, but not be a Stand Up Guy.
  • A **Bro **is often not a Stand Up Guy, but he’s a **Dude **because he’s your Bro
  • You must be a **Stand Up Guy **in order to be a Mensch, but you gotta be a **Man **along with being a **Stand Up Guy **in order to be a Mensch. Maybe even a Man’s Man.
  • A **Big Swinging Dick **is rarely a Mensch, nor is a **Player **(or Playa) - either can be a Bro, but are often not Stand Up Guys
  • A **Mensch **can be a Badass, but a **Badass **isn’t necessarily a Mensch, because a **Big Swinging Dick **can be a **Badass **while not being a Mensch. And Dudes are rarely Badasses. Except for The Dude.

:wink:

Who, of course, abides.

And I forgot to ask, are we talking BSD as maybe coined by Michael Lewis in Liar’s Poker, or some other definition?

I’ll be watching The Big Lebowski for the first time this weekend. Between this and that I should then certainly have a better grip on Dudeshness.

Exactly, Dude.

I’m trying to recall if anyone who sold a lot of bonds and made a bunch of money was a BSD, or if only those who lorded those facts over non-BSDs were called BSDs. If the latter, then I would have to say that a BSD can never be a mensch. A quibble, of course, which probably makes me a Weenie. :smiley:

A Big Swinging Dick is someone who could close a big deal - in Lewis’s case, he was able to place a traunch of collateralized bonds to the tune of over ~$70mm IIRC…so it is a Sales/Closing thing - could be very Glengarry, Glenross. You could be a **Weasel **or even a Snake, but if you can close like a Playa, you can end up a **Big Swinging Dick **- but not get close to being a Mensch

Still trying to get everything straight. Are the adjectives interchangable? Just wondering which is preferable, to be a Weenie or a Stand Up Weenie. This can be very confusing.

Especially explaining it to a 12-year-old. Stand Up Weenie takes on a whole new meaning during puberty.

A **Big Swinging Dick **always lets everyone know just how big his dick is and just how wide it swings. Men, Men’s Men and Mensches just are what they are, and they don’t brag about it.

So really, a **Big Swinging Dick ** is a Whiny Little Bitch at heart.

Dude. Exactly.

Dudes self-examining their dudeliness seems circular.

You say that like it’s a bad thing :wink:

If The Dude knocks back a few White Russians, I expect a little circularity is par for the course…

Dudes are full of doubt and confusion (especially confusion), so of course they question their own dudeliness. If they never questioned themselves, they would probably be Big Swining Dicks. Or even worse, Douchebags.

Great point - I think of a **Douchebag **as **Weasel **or a **Snake **who thinks of themselves as a Big Swinging Dick, but don’t have the stones to truly close the deal…or as a **Big Swinging Dick **who cultivates the air of a **Renaissance Man **without any of the actual **Menschy **gravity required…

…all of which is very Dude-contemplatible…dude.

I agree that a Douchebag is a wannabe Big Swinging Dick.

A Good Dudeis the same thing as a Stand Up Guy, right? Or is he closer to a Mensch?

I think the former.

I agree with **Boyo Jim **- a **Stand Up Guy **can pay for your beer when you weren’t expecting it, or argue for your cause in a meeting. A **Mensch **is a Man’s Man who also has power and can help you figure out the right path as you move through Manliness. A bit of a Rabbi, or Mentor

What is the preferred noun used to quantify the state of being a dude? I like dude-ocity, but clearly the orthography needs work.

In the meantime, where do Rons fit in?

There’s dude-ishness, dudeliciousness; there’s dude, duder and dudest. There’s ‘more dudely’. And my favorite, “the quantum of dude”.