The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of school children

[jasg]

@kayaker

Speaking as a gun owner, if I repeatedly witnessed my friends/colleagues being gunned down, I’d be perfectly willing to scrap the amendment allowing the carnage to continue.

ETA: I wouldn’t have said this a year ago, but we all have our breaking points. Hopefully others are waking up as well.

You are the second person I know in Pennsylvania who has reached this point. A boyhood friend (and AR-15 owner) has been posting the same thoughts.

[Human_Action]

@kayaker

Speaking as a gun owner, if I repeatedly witnessed my friends/colleagues being gunned down, I’d be perfectly willing to scrap the amendment allowing the carnage to continue.

ETA: I wouldn’t have said this a year ago, but we all have our breaking points. Hopefully others are waking up as well.

I am. I’m a gun owner, including a few magazine fed semi-autos (no AR-15s though, had one but sold it - to much of a pain to keep clean). But I’m a point where I’d give the semi-autos up. The culture around them is toxic, and the damage they can do is way out of proportion to their value to society. Leave me my bolt-action hunting rifles, and I’m on board. Enough is enough.

[SteveG1]

@BobLibDem

Reagan was shot with very well armed and well trained guards next to him. Would some pistol-packing math teachers done any better? Parkland had a sheriff’s deputy on the premises, yet he did nothing. Would little Miss Grundy, English Lit teacher transform into Rambo?

Arming teachers- a moronic idea developed by imbeciles to give talking points to halfwits.

This.

[Derleth]

@BobLibDem

Reagan was shot with very well armed and well trained guards next to him. Would some pistol-packing math teachers done any better? Parkland had a sheriff’s deputy on the premises, yet he did nothing. Would little Miss Grundy, English Lit teacher transform into Rambo?

Arming teachers- a moronic idea developed by imbeciles to give talking points to halfwits.

Eh, Ronald Reagan was a gun-grabbing lib, a RINO at best, and everyone knows it. He supported the Mulford Act, which ended open-carry in California, before he took office, and the Brady Bill after he left office.

[Hentor_the_Barbarian]

@Human_Action

I am. I’m a gun owner, including a few magazine fed semi-autos (no AR-15s though, had one but sold it - to much of a pain to keep clean). But I’m a point where I’d give the semi-autos up. The culture around them is toxic, and the damage they can do is way out of proportion to their value to society. Leave me my bolt-action hunting rifles, and I’m on board. Enough is enough.

This. Thanks for saying so.

[madmonk28]

@Human_Action

I am. I’m a gun owner, including a few magazine fed semi-autos (no AR-15s though, had one but sold it - to much of a pain to keep clean). But I’m a point where I’d give the semi-autos up. The culture around them is toxic, and the damage they can do is way out of proportion to their value to society. Leave me my bolt-action hunting rifles, and I’m on board. Enough is enough.

Thanks for this. I think there are reasonable restrictions we can adopt. I’m not a hunter, but I’m an avid fly fisher and I get it. I have a lot of fishing friends who hunt, went hunting with their dads and take their kids hunting. I get what they get out of the experience and it is valuable. Other countries have a hunting culture, but don’t have the problems we have with gun violence. Canada being the one that comes to mind most easily. There is a way to do something about this.

[raventhief]

@Human_Action

I am. I’m a gun owner, including a few magazine fed semi-autos (no AR-15s though, had one but sold it - to much of a pain to keep clean). But I’m a point where I’d give the semi-autos up. The culture around them is toxic, and the damage they can do is way out of proportion to their value to society. Leave me my bolt-action hunting rifles, and I’m on board. Enough is enough.

I’m a gun owner too, and I agree, enough is enough. Mine are handguns, but something needs to change.

[Czarcasm]

@raventhief

I’m a gun owner too, and I agree, enough is enough. Mine are handguns, but something needs to change.

Because of what another poster said about CCW owners being on average better trained than the police, may I ask how much and what kind of training you have had with your weapons of choice?

[SteveG1]

@raventhief

I’m a gun owner too, and I agree, enough is enough. Mine are handguns, but something needs to change.

Ditto. I have owned various handguns, shotguns, and rifles over the years (I’m down to just one rifle now) and I also say “enough already”.

[BobLibDem]

@Derleth

Eh, Ronald Reagan was a gun-grabbing lib, a RINO at best, and everyone knows it. He supported the Mulford Act, which ended open-carry in California, before he took office, and the Brady Bill after he left office.

Perhaps, but the point remains with all the very well trained guards around him, he was still very nearly killed by a pistol-packing amateur. Why would armed teachers have better luck against an assault weapon?

[Czarcasm]

@Czarcasm

Because of what another poster said about CCW owners being on average better trained than the police, may I ask how much and what kind of training you have had with your weapons of choice?

I have started a new thread about these questions in MPSIMS.

[Dewey_Finn]

@Derleth

@BobLibDem

Reagan was shot with very well armed and well trained guards next to him. Would some pistol-packing math teachers done any better? Parkland had a sheriff’s deputy on the premises, yet he did nothing. Would little Miss Grundy, English Lit teacher transform into Rambo?

Arming teachers- a moronic idea developed by imbeciles to give talking points to halfwits.

Eh, Ronald Reagan was a gun-grabbing lib, a RINO at best, and everyone knows it. He supported the Mulford Act, which ended open-carry in California, before he took office, and the Brady Bill after he left office.

My understanding is that Californians (white ones, anyhow) were freaked out enough by the sight of the Black Panthers exercising their second amendment rights that they were willing to impose gun control in the form of that act. Plus at that time, even the NRA was in favor of reasonable gun control.

So my semi-facetious proposal, which I think I made elsewhere, possibly in this thread, is that American Muslims should arm themselves to whatever extent is legal in their state. Which will freak people out more? Muslims openly carrying guns (including semi-auto weapons where legal)? Or some reasonable form of gun control?

[raventhief]

@Czarcasm

Because of what another poster said about CCW owners being on average better trained than the police, may I ask how much and what kind of training you have had with your weapons of choice?

I took the class for ccw, and it was a single day class. A few hours of class room about laws and responsibility. And time at the range.

I also grew up with guns, and have handled them a lot, at home and at the range. If I had been a bumbling fool at the range, I don’t know if I would have been told no, you need more practice. It was many years ago, and I believe it was a test I could have failed. But I didn’t.

[jasg]

@Dewey_Finn

My understanding is that Californians (white ones, anyhow) were freaked out enough by the sight of the Black Panthers exercising their second amendment rights that they were willing to impose gun control in the form of that act. Plus at that time, even the NRA was in favor of reasonable gun control.

However, these attempts at regulation led to the dominance of the NRA-ILA, its political and lobbying arm. I grew up in a NRA member home but my father cut his ties when they moved their main focus away from firearm safety, marksmanship and hunting.

[RickJay]

@octopus

You do realize that if the shooter was law abiding he would not have shot those school kids?

And the drunk driverwas law abiding he wouldn’t have plowed into the minivan and killed an entire family. We shouldn’t bother with drunk driving laws, I guess.

[you_with_the_face]

@Human_Action

I am. I’m a gun owner, including a few magazine fed semi-autos (no AR-15s though, had one but sold it - to much of a pain to keep clean). But I’m a point where I’d give the semi-autos up. The culture around them is toxic, and the damage they can do is way out of proportion to their value to society. Leave me my bolt-action hunting rifles, and I’m on board. Enough is enough.

Another round of applause for this attitude.

[k9bfriender]

@RickJay

And the drunk driverwas law abiding he wouldn’t have plowed into the minivan and killed an entire family. We shouldn’t bother with drunk driving laws, I guess.

I don’t understand that line of reasoning either.

“Gun laws don’t work, so lets not have them.”

Well, no, that’s not true at all. Gun laws do not keep all the guns out of the hands of all the criminals and nutjobs, but they do prevent some of the guns from getting into the hands of some of the criminals and nut jobs.

It goes a bit hand in hand with the 2A’ers mentality of “natural rights”. they somehow think that they have rights that are granted to them by the universe, or the creator, or something above that of human civilization, and that humans may not take those rights away. That’s just stupid talk, though. All rights are only the rights that humans decide to give to each other.

So, to them, a law prevents people from breaking it. The fact that there is a law there just means that people cannot perform the proscribed action. And they see that, even if there is a law about guns, they are still able to physically break that law, therefore, that can’t be a really law. They don’t seem to realize that that applies to every law ever written, including the “law*” that implies their right to bear arms.

There are no natural laws. There are no universe or nature or god given rights. Unless the universe or nature or god himself comes down and directly intervenes in order to protect your rights, your rights only exist in the minds of others who also want their rights respected.

*Amendment, I know.

[SteveG1]

@kayaker

Speaking as a gun owner, if I repeatedly witnessed my friends/colleagues being gunned down, I’d be perfectly willing to scrap the amendment allowing the carnage to continue.

ETA: I wouldn’t have said this a year ago, but we all have our breaking points. Hopefully others are waking up as well.

We are. rest assured, we are.

[wguy123]

@Human_Action

I am. I’m a gun owner, including a few magazine fed semi-autos (no AR-15s though, had one but sold it - to much of a pain to keep clean). But I’m a point where I’d give the semi-autos up. The culture around them is toxic, and the damage they can do is way out of proportion to their value to society. Leave me my bolt-action hunting rifles, and I’m on board. Enough is enough.

This is me as well. I have a couple semi-auto, large capacity handguns (I used to do competitive handgun shooting) as well as a Russian-made SKS. I’ll gladly give them up if that’s what it takes to get past this. Just let me keep my single-shot, bolt action 22 (but I’d still give it up if I had to).

[Typo_Negative]

Coral Springs police upset at some Broward deputies for not entering school

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff’s Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff’s deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

So, 4 *trained law enforcement professionals *hid by their cars instead of pursuing the shooter. That brings to the total of adults who were…reluctant…to enter the building to how many now?

I think that settles the ‘if teachers had guns, they’d of kicked some ass!’ argument.