Channing_Idaho_Banks:
This happened in Turkey.
I was referring to his denials of the accusations being part of his culture, not the actual murder.
Channing_Idaho_Banks:
This happened in Turkey.
In the embassy, which would be regarded by the international community as SA soil.
Colibri
November 28, 2018, 7:34pm
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eschereal the seriously twisted:
In the embassy, which would be regarded by the international community as SA soil.
Not really. Turkish law still applies to crimes committed within the embassy. Turkish police are not allowed to enter the embassy without permission, and accredited diplomatic staff have diplomatic immunity (although even that can be revoked for grave crimes). Any individuals who do not have diplomatic immunity who committed a crime withing the embassy would be subject to arrest and prosecution under Turkish law once they left the embassy grounds.
See here.
RickJay
November 28, 2018, 8:13pm
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eschereal the seriously twisted:
In the embassy, which would be regarded by the international community as SA soil.
The embassy is Turkish soil. This is a common misconception, but entirely wrong. Embassies are not the territory of the country using the embassy.
Since this information came from 45, I personally don’t believe it. I don’t believe 45 brought up the subject at all when talking to MSB. Much less asked the prince 3 times.
“No!”
“Okay, now about these oil prices–did you order the hit ?”
“My friend, I tell you I did not!”
“Okay, I got it. Moving on to the military contract, I see that there’s a–DIDYOUDOIT!?
“Please, can we not dispense with these unpleasantries?”
“Okay, you got me, I thought I had you, I guess you really are innocent. I’ll announce this to the world and they’ll let the matter drop because I said so, believe me.”
dasmoocher:
Another interesting Vox article. It’s worth checking out just for the embedded YouTube clip of Colbert at the White House Correspondents dinner speech where he poked fun at Bush for trusting his gut and not his brain:
Now we have a President who does this in real life.
Trump’s Washington Post interview shows a presidency that’s beyond satire
Trump’s Washington Post interview: Guts and rakes and nonsense. - Vox
The Vox article is pretty funny in linking Trump’s statement to the Colbert bit. And the word salad about the Fed is absolutely amazing. But I raised an eyebrow at this part:
Trump lies nearly constantly, but this would notably not count as one of his lies:
Does anyone out there think we’re at the dawn of a new ice age?
This bothers me less because of the substance of the particulars, and more because Vox should be more careful. It’s not only harmful to their general credibility, it gives Trump flacks ammunition to say “See? The MSM claims about Trump lying are themselves the real lies!” This makes it less likely that people paying only minimal attention (importantly, the kinds of voters who backed Obama, then Trump, then Democrats this year) will take seriously valid accusations of dishonesty.
SlackerInc:
The Vox article is pretty funny in linking Trump’s statement to the Colbert bit. And the word salad about the Fed is absolutely amazing. But I raised an eyebrow at this part:
Trump lies nearly constantly, but this would notably not count as one of his lies:
In 1975, Newsweek Predicted A New Ice Age. We’re Still Living with the Consequences. - Longreads
This bothers me less because of the substance of the particulars, and more because Vox should be more careful. It’s not only harmful to their general credibility, it gives Trump flacks ammunition to say “See? The MSM claims about Trump lying are themselves the real lies!” This makes it less likely that people paying only minimal attention (importantly, the kinds of voters who backed Obama, then Trump, then Democrats this year) will take seriously valid accusations of dishonesty.
Uh, no,; it does not, Trump still lies or is yet again an ignoramus. That bit of Newsweek and other non-scientific magazines was debunked many times before:
What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?
What the science says…
1970s ice age predictions were predominantly media based. The majority of peer reviewed research at the time predicted warming due to increasing CO2.
Short history: A majority of scientists expected that warming was coming, it was mostly the media that got it wrong.
Summary
So global cooling predictions in the 70s amounted to media and a handful of peer reviewed studies. The small number of papers predicting cooling were outweighed by a much greater number of papers predicting global warming due to the warming effect of rising CO2. Today, an avalanche of peer reviewed studies and overwhelming scientific consensus endorse man-made global warming. To compare cooling predictions in the 70s to the current situation is both inappropriate and misleading. Additionally, we reduced the SO2 emissions which were causing global cooling. The question remains whether we will reduce the CO2 emissions causing global warming.
For a lighter take: What the Climate Crock of the Week reported years ago:
One of the golden oldies of climate denial – “In the 70s, They predicted an Ice Age” – is ever new in denio-world. But then, in denio-world, you get points, not for being ri…
However, the warming effects of CO2 had been known for over a century, and new research in the 1970s was showing that CO2 warming would more than compensate for the cooling caused by aerosols, resulting in net warming.
This, in a very brief nutshell, was the state of climate science in the 1970s. And so the media of the time published many stories about a coming ice age, which made for timely reading during some very cold winters. But many news stories also mentioned that other important detail about CO2: that our climate might soon change due to global warming. In 1976 Time published “The World’s Climate: Unpredictable” which is a very good summary of the then current scientific thinking: some scientists emphasized aerosols and cooling, some scientists emphasized CO2 and warming. There was no consensus either way. Many other 1970s articles which mention a Coming Ice Age also mention the possibility of increased warming due to CO2. For instance,here, here and here.
Fake-skeptics read these stories and only focus on the Coming Ice Age angle, and they enlarge the importance of those scientists who focused on that angle. They totally ignore the rest of the picture of 1970s climate science: that increasing CO2 would cause global warming.
The purpose of the image of the two Time magazine covers, and of the Coming Ice Age Myth, is not to show the real history of climate science, but to obscure that history and to cause confusion.
I am very confused. Ammon Bundy has called Trump out for his anti-immigrant rhetoric.
That is surprising for sure, and I have a feeling he will get blowback from his fans. But it makes a certain sort of sense if he’s just a hardcore libertarian. Libertarians believe in freedom of movement.
Smellin’ like a rose…
“G.M., Not Trump, Is the Real Villain to Some Ohio Factory Workers”
…The jobs are “all coming back,” [Trump] announced. “Don’t move, don’t sell your house.”
That vow collided with the shifting dynamics of the auto industry on Monday whenGeneral Motors told workersit was idling Lordstown’s prized Chevrolet factory.
…
Many Lordstown residents recalled that Mr. Trump had promoted steel tariffs and his trade savvy as a way to create jobs. But while critics faulted the president for failing to deliver what he promised, a number of workers were quick to exonerate him.
Some portrayed him as well intentioned but simply outgunned by larger economic forces. Others suggested that whatever Mr. Trump’s flaws, they paled in comparison to those of General Motors, which they considered the real culprit.
“I believe that if there’s tariffs or not, G.M. will continue to take our cars out of this country because it’s cheaper to do it and ship it back,” said Ms. Olesky, a Trump supporter.
Wow that last bit there from Ms. Olesky is some Grade “A” delusional stupidity.
And Reagan was called the teflon president. Sheesh.
naita
November 29, 2018, 2:35pm
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He also uses arguments about actually believing the core Christian values of charity and sacrificing for those in need.
Hey, at least they didn’t blame Obama or Hillary.
Another excerpt from that article:
…Critics said Mr. Trump seemed oblivious to the plant’s struggles despite his promise to workers there. “I had a conversation with him and he did not know about the first two shift layoffs,” said Senator Sherrod Brown, an Ohio Democrat, who spoke with Mr. Trump by phone over the summer. “It shocked me.”
Mr. Brown said that he had asked Mr. Trump to intervene personally with G.M.’s chief executive, Mary T. Barra, and that the president had been noncommittal. “He said, ‘We’ll see,’” Mr. Brown recalled. The White House declined to comment.
The notion that Mr. Trump is indifferent or ineffective in the face of factory job losses challenges the essence of his political appeal, and he has moved to counter that idea — on Tuesday by threatening to take away G.M.’s government subsidies, and on Wednesday by calling for new tariffs on imported cars. At least some of the workers spurned by General Motors share Mr. Brown’s feeling that the president could have done more for them.
Tommy Wolikow was laid off from the plant last year and said he became a Trump fan after attending the president’s speech hailing the return of manufacturing jobs. “I felt he was speaking to me, and I believed him,” said Mr. Wolikow, who didn’t vote in 2016 but had planned to vote for Mr. Trump in 2020. “I took the man for his word.”
But in recent months, Mr. Wolikow has concluded that the president wasn’t interested in following through.
No fucking joke.
One marvels (not in a good way) at this denial in the face of the facts being shoved up… well, you know where. :dubious:
“I never thought the jackass would lie to MY face,” sobs man who voted for the Jackass Lying to People’s Faces candidate.
Gyrate
November 29, 2018, 4:02pm
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The notion that Mr. Trump is indifferent or ineffective in the face of factory job losses challenges the essence of his political appeal, and he has moved to counter that idea — on Tuesday by threatening to take away G.M.’s government subsidies, and on Wednesday by calling for new tariffs on imported cars. At least some of the workers spurned by General Motors share Mr. Brown’s feeling that the president could have done more for them.
I’m going to say characterizing Trump taking actions that will hurt GM sales further as “feeling that the president could have done more for them” is a bit of an understatement.
And Trump continues not to understand that car manufacturing hasn’t been a made-all-in-one-country process for a while. Parts made here go elsewhere and parts made elsewhere come here. Good luck implementing a tariff that won’t screw over the US auto industry yet again, considering how well-thought-out the last ones were.
Ike_Witt
November 29, 2018, 4:13pm
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Do none of these people understand cause and effect?
“Say what now? Cousin who?”