Sounds familiar… “That’s not the way the world really works anymore. We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.” – Karl Rove, during the G.W. Bush years
US Ambassador to the Netherlands denies that he ever made comments about Muslim terrorism in the Netherlands and calls a reporter who called him on it fake news. When pointed to a video which shows him saying it, he says, “Well, I never said it was in the Netherlands, and I never called it fake news.”
How do you propose the population of 51 million people leave the country en masse? Where are they going to go? To the US, where bigots like Trump and his supporters are increasing the level of xenophobia?
Oh, you blithely tossed in a suggestion to move to the southern end of the peninsula. How do you expect that to work when there are already millions of people living there?
Because it’s so fucking brilliant to sit by and let a raving loon–who kills his relatives and boasts of his plans to win nuclear war with America–continue to plug away at building better nukes and ICBMs to launch them.
And frankly, with that going on, if I’m president the lives of 51 million South Koreans can not be as high a priority as the lives of 300+million Americans. Not even close.
Your Neville Chamberlain-style “solution” is likely to end up with at least as many Koreans dead, and millions more Americans along with them. :dubious:
The truly frightening thing is that this brand of “drunk idiot at the bar” statesmanship now has its proponents at the highest levels of government. Instead of being laughed at, cut off and sent home in a cab, some ignorant moron with a similar grasp of diplomacy and geopolitics may get us into a world conflict with millions dead.
They don’t have to take it if they don’t want it. But at least by offering, they’d know we weren’t trying to get our military on their border.
We could just leave it occupied by no one, like Somalia was for several years there. Not a great outcome (there are none on the menu), but it’s better than having an organized and very hostile government working on nukes and ICBMs to deliver them.
WTF? Do you really believe you are making sense here? My solution is to not agitate for a shooting war. Another part of my solution is to recognize that China is very much involved and has its own concerns about a change in the status quo on the Korean peninsula.
FYI: My wife happens to be one of those 51 million South Koreans and is still living in in the southern part of South Korea. What happens there is not just some abstract discussion for me.
By the way, thanks for admitting your lack of actual concern for Koreans.
China doesn’t care about our military on their border; they already have unfriendly democracies bordering their territory. As others have stated–and you continue to ignore–what China cares about is what it calls stability on the Korean peninsula. They recognize that a major change in North Korea would likely lead to a massive influx into China of not just a few, but millions of refugees from North Korea. China is already having problems dealing with populations that do not enjoy being ruled by China. While the PLA is currently modernizing and professionalizing, it still has a long way to go. The population providing recruits to the PLA is more educated than that of the 1950s and isn’t likely to sacrifice themselves blindly for the current NK regime, which the general public, as opposed to the government, in China is not fond of.
If the PRC were to attempt to occupy any part of the Korean peninsula, it would be a disaster exponentially worse than the Irish Troubles. Leaving a power vacuum in the North would also be disastrous, for both humanitarian and economic reasons. After all, China does rely on resources from tbe DPRK for the economy in one Chinese region.
You, yet again, are stumbling into a topic where not only are you completely clueless, but are again managing to show how unamerican you actually are. In short, you’re the perfect trumpster.
Can you expand your thoughts on this? I’ve often wondered if that would not be better - China just taking over North Korea as a new province or whatever.
There are still people alive in both Koreas who experienced Japanese rule. Of course their children and grandchildren have been taught how evil foreign rule was. The PLA is not likely to be seen as a great thing. Consider akso that a number of ethnic Korean Chinese families have members who are DPRK citizens still in North Korea.
Besides that, China does have to worry about its government spending. There is a lot more on their plate than staging a revolution in another country, a country whose remaining population won’t be happy with foreign occupation. China still has a population problem, not likely to be alleviated with an influx of refugees. Of course there is also the danger of setting a precededentt of allowing peopke to flee a country in search of freedom. That could have dire consequenses on the other side of China, not to mention right there in the ethnic Korean part.
No, China really doesn’t have all that many good options either.