My bold.
Two words in that statement leap out at me, “appropriate” and “normal,” neither of which exists any more in Donnie World, aka, The United States Gummint. Roberts doesn’t seem to get it.
When Homan was confronted on camera with the possibility of breaking up families by deporting people he said you didn’t have to break up families - the whole family could leave with the deportee. So that would be a yes.
Yes. There are many people who think exactly that.
(Personally, I find it a disgusting attitude. I am often disgusted in public these days.)
Then best you not get more specific than that. Hell, I’d recommend you say “undocumented in [state you don’t actually live in]” just to be on the safer side.
Because some countries aren’t cooperating with having people dumped on their airports?
Because the MAGAts need to make examples of some people?
Cruelty is the point?
There’s a difference between how many can be housed HUMANELY at location X and how many people you can cram into location X if you don’t give a damn about them as human beings.
Good call.
Minor update.
These Venezuelans that we’re putting on planes to … El Salvador … in contravention of a Judge’s Order … aren’t really accused of crimes in the US, necessarily.
Actually, the fact that many of them have no criminal record in the US whatsoever should be all the proof you need of their criminality.
Wait. What?
Administration: ‘Many’ Venezuelans sent to El Salvador prison had no U.S. criminal record
“The lack of criminal records does not indicate they pose a limited threat. In fact, based upon their association with Tren de Aragua, the lack of specific information about each specific individual actually highlights the risk they pose,” said Robert Cerna, a top Immigration and Customs Enforcement official, in a sworn statement filed Monday night to a the U.S. District Court in Washington D.C.
Ah. So you were seven thousand miles away when your business partner was murdered. And you can prove it? GUILTY!!
Rule of Law, my fuzzy backside.
Faith Based Law Enforcement. We can’t prove you were doing crimes and we have no evidence of you doing crimes. But we KNOW you are a criminal.
Or, as I recall from my youth in Detroit: “Well, if you didn’t commit this crime, then we’re damned sure you committed another one.”
Better to imprison a thousand innocent men than to let one guilty man go free.
–The Trump Doctrine
[no. Not factually true]
This is proof (as if we hadn’t enough proof already) that the Trump maladministration is waving around the phrase “Tren de Aragua” like a magic talisman to clear away all due process and humanitarian concerns. It’s positively homeopathic: the less evidence the deportees committed crimes in the U.S., the deeper a threat they pose. 
The weight-bearing part of that quote is “based on their association with Tren de Aragua”. We’ve got a nice post hoc, ergo propter hoc going on: we’re deporting them despite having no criminal history in the U.S. because of their association with TdA. Which we can’t support with any crimes they’ve committed in the States, because they didn’t commit any.
We’ve also got a classic begging the question: “assuming the truth of its conclusion as a premise, essentially stating the conclusion as a fact without providing evidence or proof.” We want to deport them as associated with TdA, so we’re presuming their association with TdA.
That kind of phrasing used to always bug me. “So-and-so was deported/jailed/sent to Gitmo because of ties to terrorism/Al Quaeda/Osama/whatever.”
“Ties to?” That’s pretty vague. But good enough if you’re not looking closely.
Well, Spanish is their native language.
Of course. It’s proof just how clever they are, just like there was no evidence the 2020 election was stolen from Trump proves the Deep State™ did it.
One thing I noticed that I think is particularly insidious: when they get to the jail, they all have their heads shaven and they all get the same uniform. So now when you pack them all into a room together, they certainly look like a gang.
That’s always bothered me, too. For instance, I have ties to killing police officers. My mother’s best friend’s son is currently on death row in Kentucky for murdering a policeman when the cop was responding to a call regarding a domestic incident, and Vince was on drugs when it happened.
I’ve never killed a cop. I don’t condone or endorse killing law enforcement officers. But because someone I know was indulging in some illegal pharmaceuticals, I’m forever tainted as having ties to that violence.
A French scientist was denied entry to the United States and sent back to France because he had messages on his phone that were critical of Trump.
And in reference to the Venezuelan “criminals” sent to El Salvador:
For four Venezuelan friends, Alien Enemies Act cuts short an American dream
Then, on Thursday, armed officers showed up at their home, arrested them and took them to a Texas detention center, Mervin Yamarte, 29, told his mother by phone. Family members do not know the charges, if any, and the men’s names do not appear in federal, state or local criminal court records.
What happened next horrified the families. Yamarte said they were asked to sign deportation papers and agreed, thinking they would soon be back with their children and loved ones in Venezuela. But a day later, his mother saw a jarring video released by Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele showing alleged gang members being violently pulled off planes from the United States and dragged to a mega-prison notorious for allegations of human rights abuses.
Mercedes Yamarte spotted her son. He appears for only a second, but she has no doubt it is Mervin. He is kneeling and wearing a ripped black shirt. His head has been shaved. An officer stands behind him. He appears to be wincing.
Lesson learned: travel with a burner phone.
Denver’s Democratic Mayor Mike Johnston denounced Vizguerra’s arrest and described the mother as a hard-working member of the community.
“People should know what this is. This is not immigration enforcement. This is Soviet-style political persecution of political dissidents under the guise of immigration enforcement,” Johnston said in a video posted on Facebook Tuesday.
“This is not someone with a criminal record. This is a mom of American citizens who works at Target and has started a community nonprofit,” the mayor said. “This is not something that makes our community safer, in my mind. I think it makes our community lawless.”
The US Govt inspects phone contents to travelers coming to the US? Get the fuck out of here! Really?
I just saw the thread dedicated to this topic and apparently they can just ask for your phone. 100% authoritarian bullshit if this is how they are going to use that rule.
I became aware of this several years ago and proceeded to delete/erase a bunch of stuff from my email that could have been misperceived.
Of course I have an all new batch of emails saved that I need to go through.
U.S. District Judge Indira Talwani issued an order giving the government until Friday to answer why Ozturk was being detained. Talwani also ordered that Ozturk not be moved outside the District of Massachusetts without 48 hours advance notice.
But as of Wednesday evening, the U.S. Immigration and Custom Enforcement’s online detainee locater system listed her as being held at the South Louisiana ICE Processing Center in Basile, Louisiana…
Ozturk was one of four students last March who wrote an op-ed in The Tufts Daily criticizing the university’s response to its community union Senate passing resolutions that demanded Tufts “acknowledge the Palestinian genocide,” disclose its investments and divest from companies with direct or indirect ties to Israel.
Friends said Ozturk was not otherwise closely involved in protests against Israel.
Interestingly, she’s being arrested for protesting against Joe Biden.