I’m not sure that I agree. Sure it would be better to live in a world where Khashoggi wasn’t killed, where we didn’t abandon our Kurdish allies, or where the president of the United States would see taking the actions described as morally unacceptable. But we don’t live in such a world. The first two are factually true and whether or not Trump was actually involved in such a conspiracy, based on what I have seen of Trump, his reported actions match how I would expect him to behave under those circumstances.
So all of the negative aspects of a world in which such an event actually occurred are already baked into our reality. The only change is that if there were inconvertible evidence of these charges, it would represent a charge so dire that even the Republicans could not ignore it.
It should be noted that he says “anti-corruption statement” not “anti-Biden statement”.
It is almost certainly true that the White House does and has - even in the time of Barack Obama - been choosy on scheduling when to perform the actions that they were obligated to by Congress as a sort of tug of the leash on any country that was misbehaving.
Y’all need to rein in your reality distortion fields on this one.
I see upon a glance at your link that it isn’t at all what Trump did with Ukraine. But the “look over here” about cutting aid was insightful. I suppose Obama also put his shoes on, just like Trump did. Same old thing, you know?
But that’s not quite right is it? They are much more concerned that Ukraine announce the existence of investigations than the investigations themselves. They really don’t care about corruption any more than being able to say that Joe Biden is being investigated for corruption. As a general rule this group is A-OK with corruption.
Maybe edit your quote to…
Trump: We’re withholding aid because I want you to say you’re investigating my potential rival in next year’s election.
I’m not swallowing anything. How do you get that?? And I don’t give a shit about it. It was just an aside. I simply meant not just quoting directly, but literally making up stuff, played right into the hands of the fake news crowd. It was a stupid thing to do.
Oh, and it’s quite interested that this was send by Sondland on Monday as AN ADDITION TO HIS PREVIOUS TESTIMONY, where he said " he had remembered a September 1 conversation in which he told a top aide to Zelensky that the security aid and investigations were linked."
Yes, that’s the money quote. But to repeat - this was NOT in his original testimony. He just “remembered it” afterward.
Hopefully, this is going to happen more and more, as we dig deeper and deeper into this festering pile. More folks “remembering” stuff, and more people deciding that telling the truth is probably the only way to avoid jail. (last one to flip gets to spend quality time in prison!)
[QUOTE=Fiddle Peghead;21956973I simply meant not just quoting directly, but literally making up stuff, played right into the hands of the fake news crowd. It was a stupid thing to do.[/QUOTE]
If you call “paraphrasing” “literally making stuff up,” I’m afraid it’s you, not Schiff, playing into the hands of the fake news crowd.