The Trump Impeachment Inquiry

Make and manipulate into are different things. Ya think that the fiction of Ukraine interference and the stories about Hunter couldn’t be dusted for Russian fingerprints in a pushing it along fashion?

That mobile phone conversation was not on a secure line and who knows how many others of the irregular channel were not saying what? The Russians very like do know and have known more about our operational Ukraine policy and how to actually impact it than anyone in the state department does or did.

It just seems like Dr. Hill is trying to deflect blame away from Trump in those quotes. “Don’t you see? This [impeachment hearing] is exactly what they want! You’re playing into their hands!” As though we should all ignore what Trump did for the good of the country.

But I’m not listening to the testimony today so I’m not sure if that’s her tone or not. If Russia spun out some conspiracy theories and Trump bought into them, that becomes our problem whether we like it or not.

This is old but continues to be relevant so for those who haven’t seen it: it’s an Art Buchwald column from 1973setting out standard responses from Nixon supporters arguing why Nixon shouldn’t be investigated/impeached. Several of them sounds disturbingly familiar - for example, just substitute “Benghazi” for “Chappaquiddick”.

Wow. 1973? How some things have not changed.

#8 sounds like something our esteemed poster** Max S** might go with:

#4 and #6 are pretty much the go-to strategy of Trump:

This one is just a riff on the "this is boring, everyone is bored, ho hum defense:

The classic Tu Quoque:

One thing has changed though. The Republicans in Senate today have no honor, no shame, no ethics, and some of them may well be in the pocket of the Russians. With Nixon, it took some ethical leaders of the Republican Party to stand up to Nixon and tell him to resign. We have no such ethical and moral people in this party today.

Nah, fuck that. You learn what sources you can trust - and verify that you can trust them.

Believing sources doesn’t make you brainwashed if the sources are verifiably trustworthy. It makes you educated.

Sent from my SM-G935P using Tapatalk

My bold.

I did listen to part of her testimony and she’s not saying, “YOU [Congress] are playing into their hands [with this hearing],” IMHO she’s saying, “Trump is such a fucking idiot that HE played right into Putin’s hands and the resulting chaos and divisiveness is exactly what Putin wanted.” IOW Putin played the soon-to-be-ex like a fucking Stradivarius.

Well that makes me feel better, I guess.

Somewhat related news from Israel:
AP reports, bolding mine:

“In the course of this investigation, I would ask that you please not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests.” - Fiona Hill

Yeah, the horse is not just out of the barn on that one already, he’s over the fence, down the road, and drinking beer at the pub.

I’m not able to follow the testimony today but I’m curious about how Nunes, Jordan and the other GOP Trumpists have reacted to Dr. Hill’s testimony. Have they questioned her yet or is that coming later? I’m curious what the reaction was to her calling BS on all the conspiracy theories.

I’m a few minutes behind, I paused it to take care of some things.

Nunes didn’t make his usual snarky comments about fake congratulating them or commiserating with them about being given a starting role in the farce after their secret auditions when questioning began. (He may have during his opening remarks. I wasn’t paying close attention because he is a tool.) Thank gods. That was old the first time he did it. He did spend his time asking about the freaking Steele dossier. About whether they knew Chalupa. Nothing at all about the matter at hand.

Aha! That’s where we’ve got you! Devin Nunes keeps saying ‘Russia Hoax’, therefore it is a hoax!’

I won’t be able to watch this week, I’m living without TV and internet ( except on my phone) this week. But I read every word of her closed door testimony and that’s EXACTLY what she is saying. And EXACTLY what I’ve been saying.

This was engineered by Russia. The Ukrainian conspiracy theory and the documents Rudy had been waving around are Russian disinformation. Fruman and Parnas are Russian agents.

The Russia / Ukraine war is serious high stakes endeavor and the energy security of Western Europe is at stake. Getting the US to waiver in their support of Ukraine is a key foreign policy goal of Russia. People don’t think of Russia as a petrostate, but it is the worlds second largest oil exporter (behind Saudi Arabia) and the largest natural gas exporter.
It’s about so much more than that phone call. One of the goals of the Trump/Giuliani scheme was to replace the board of directors at Naftogaz, another Ukrainian gas company. This change was being pushed by Rudy Giuliani and the two Russian agents.

This is where the story is, I think. Because US foreign policy actively encourages Ukrainian companies to put Westerners on their boards, it’s part of the effort to clean up corruption by strengthening corporate governance. If Trump and Giuliani were looking to subvert that by plotting to put “friends of Putin” of the board, that might be a high crime. Not bribery though. The other one.

It’s been clear from the beginning that Individual 1 works for Putin.

So Dr. Hill just told Castor that the Republican narrative that she said that Colonel Vindman was unfit, is not true.

But I didn’t like that she testified as fact things that she doesn’t know:
“Doctor Hill, do you know who financed the Steele Dossier?”
“Well, I didn’t know till your staffers told me.”
“And who is that?”
“The DNC”.
So no mention of Ted Cruz’s campaign. And then Nunes said, “We’ve established that the Democrats financed the Steele Dossier …”

Good lord, does Gym Jordan always talk with his caps lock on?

As I mentioned above, he needs to switch to decaf.

I’m at work and had my attention on some data. Was that Jim Jordan that Schiff kept telling to shut his pie hole?

Yes.