Wow! Did Trump hold up military aid until Ukraine started an investigation into his personal lawyer’s business with the Ukrainian mob? Now that’s front page news!
Actually, Trump did not even care if the other country did an investigation. Trump wanted Ukraine to ANNOUNCE in public (on CNN) that they would investigate. That’s all he cared about. The announcement was designed to damage his political opponent. An actual investigation was not required by Trump.
And as others have stated - repeating Russian propaganda from a Russian propaganda site to defend Trump, who is currently working on behalf of the Russians is not really that convincing.
Yep. He saw the effect Comey’s announcement had on his then opponent, and wanted a repeat. Because Trump, like most Republicans, can’t win a fair election and is aware of that fact.
…from your cite:
Are you actually interested in the facts?
The $900,000 was transferred to Rosemont Seneca Partners. The claim is made that Rosemount is “affiliated” with Biden, Rosemont is clearly affiliated with Hunter Biden but I can’t find any connection with Joe Biden nor can I find any evidence that the transfer ended up in the hands of Joe Biden either. This is all deceptive sleight of hand by Andriy Derkach, whom has been described by peers as "not credible” and called a “professional disinformer.”
Can you provide the documents that Derkach claims to have possession of? Can you show that that money ended up in the hands of Joe Biden?
My guess would be no.
So you have information that Joe Biden committed a crime and you’re certain that it’s true and merits investigation, but you’re also sure that the FBI isn’t investigating the subject even though that’s their job, even though they arrest a fairly equal spread of liberal and conservative p politicians each year and have for the last many decades, and their boss certainly would like them to do so?
You might want to review whatever reasoning allowed you to come to that stance since that stance is about equivalent to saying that you know that X flavored ice cream is the ultimate and best flavor of ice cream and, dammit, there’s a conspiracy at Baskin Robbins not to make it! Those evil people!
If someone made that statement to you, about ice cream, which of these two flavors is more likely to be X?
- Cinnamon
- Headcheese
Maybe it’s not a conspiracy by Baskin Robbins?
It is corrupt for the President to ask the FBI to investigate his political opponent. And it is corrupt for the President to try and conduct that investigation through his second personal lawyer to be under Federal investigation by the FBI.
The Democrats might well be attacking Trump for corrupt reasons but that doesn’t mean that there are no plainly just and moral reasons to make those same attacks.
This is not a Hollywood movie. Having a narrative that Joe Biden is the evil Hellspawn of Satan and that anything is fair in the aim of taking him down is fantasy. You watch too much TV and too much opinion commentary.
On TV, it is fair for the “good guys” to shoot out the windows of their car while driving a hundred miles per hour on the freeway. In real life, that’s criminal. They’re murdering more Innocents than they’re saving. And, fundamentally, we’re talking about a fantasy setting where there are legitimately “good guys” and “bad guys”.
In the real world, both sides can be corrupt and horrible. In the real world, you can be chearing for your favorite football team thinking, “Yeah, you guys, go out there and WIN WIN WIN!” And you’re happy when they do, ignoring that half of the lot of them have been accused of sex crimes, that most of them are having their brains destroyed, and most of them are going to come out of all of this in debt and with sex and drug addictions. You’re just cheering on a bunch of bad people who are mostly ruining their own and others lives.
If you enjoy ignoring reality, in the name of entertainment, keep it to fiction.
But if you want to actually talk about reality then, again, go ahead and name all of Trump’s friends that he has put in jail, explain to me why you believe that extortion, bribery, abuse of power, etc. shouldn’t be considered crimes, and explain to me why the President can’t leave it to the FBI to investigate the things that we all can be pretty certain the FBI is aware of given that they also have access to the public news reporting of the nation.
Just to tease out one aspect of the Trump/Kremlin propaganda about Biden that’s repeated in the post quoted above (my bolding):
So the prosecutor Biden helped get fired, Shokin, was fired because he was NOT investigating the company Biden’s son worked for (or any other).
Biden’s action in firing Shokin increased the chances that Biden’s son’s company might be investigated (by a less-corrupt prosecutor who would succeed Shokin). Thus Biden’s action was the opposite of protecting his son.
A problem for those attempting to spread propaganda, is that the actual facts undercut the propaganda so neatly and so completely.
Just spotted this op-ed from several days ago (Dec. 5, ancient history already), but I don’t see it mentioned in this thread yet: Laurence H. Tribe says Trump has become a dictator:
Democrats are debating a dangerous false choice on impeachment, Laurence H. Tribe, Washington Post, Dec. 5, 2019.
Strangely, but I think more telling was this story:
And a picture of the dog’s undercarriage:
https://images.app.goo.gl/6NeCT8Met6U3q3FY7
That’s really some, “The Great Leader does not poo.”, sort of nonsense and people are being promoted and fired in our government and military based on their willingness to go along with denials of blatant reality. Whether the dog has a dick is not subjective.
The idea that Hunter Biden had the keys to the kingdom at Burisma is silly to begin with.
I work for a company. That company has board members. I am sure these are powerful and influential people. However, I do not know them by sight. If one of them came up to me and said “I’m with the board and I need your login so I can do something you need not concern yourself with” I’d report it immediately.
As Trump is finding out, when you are trying to do corrupt things you’d better have all asses on board or else the people who don’t agree with corruption are going to do stuff like write it down, blow whistles, talk to lawyers, testify to Congress, stuff like that.
But the supposed narrative is that Hunter Biden took about a million bucks (which is pocket change to people who are already rich) and Burisma just shrugged and said “oh well, he’s the US Vice President’s son, nothing we can do about it”? And to put a cherry on top they waited for Rudy fucking Guiliani to come to their rescue? If you believe that I’ve got a bridge over the Donets river you’ll be intersted in.
Also, if an investigation automatically equals guilt sufficient to keep one from office, remind me again how many investigations are currently going on right now into Donald J. Trump?
On a second check, it looks like Conan’s belly skin was folded over in this photo, by his harness, obscuring the matter and that I was in fact wrong. There’s a better photo where it’s clear that he got schwang.
So, change this commentary to the Sharpie fiasco.
One can only be pleased and grateful to have new and exciting sources of information! Kudos then to sfriver for bringing to light sources I had not even heard of, never mind their status as firmly reliable and worthy of sober attention.
I note with interest the California Political Review, linked above, for the insight offered.
Sen. Mitt Romney Former Aide on Board of Ukrainian Firm That Bought Off Biden
Sen. Romney? Your bus is here…
re WH/Trump attorneys won’t participate today… what were the details of the invitation? Is it reasonable for them to argue that the Committee put too many restrictions on them?
Sounds like it’s the short bus, based on that line of reasoning. That there is some Pizzagate-level nonsense.
You’re asking the wrong question. Here’s the entire text of the letter the WH counsel sent to Chairman Nadler:
They’re not citing any specific rules that they feel are unfair, – they’re not citing anything at all. It’s just a whiny rant.
The Republican party’s theme song for this hearing:
And yet…it worked.
Wow. And I heard that Bernie Sanders’ cousin once ate a plate of chicken Kiev. Lock Bernie up!
Woody Allen had something to say about political trials all the way back in 1971.