I wonder why some Dems are excited by this impeachment . Do they not know how it ends? It’s going to pump up some Dems next Nov. but also GOP voters.
“I wonder why the cops arrest people for committing crimes? They’re just going to do it again. Besides everyone commits crimes.”
Agreed. It’d be especially fun if Trump insists on testifying in his own defense against all logic, but that’s probably unlikely.
I’m not seeing any excitement from Democrats.
Yes, everyone is pretty sure how the Senate will vote.
Jeepers, it seems like we’ve recently been over all of this, but what the hey: Whether this energizes one side’s voters over the others- time will tell.
If the rules allowed for the calling of witnesses, the Republicans would call Hunter Biden, and the Democrats would call Bolton and Pompeo. I’d take that trade in a heartbeat, which is why McConnell will never let it happen.
No halfway decent lawyer will let Trump get within 10 miles of the witness chair.
In a way, I’m glad that the Senate is being so open about making the impeachment process a total sham. As I’ve said repeatedly, impeachment is a political process (as octopus has said). Let’s expose impeachment for what it is – just get it out into the open, and let’s once and for all ditch the idea that constitutions are magical sacred texts that have the power to save democracies from corruption and political chicanery – no more illusions, folks. In a democracy, in a society that values liberty and justice for all, there can be no outsourcing of civic duty; it’s up to people to save themselves, from themselves.
Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham, even more than Donald J Trump himself, have laid out your work for you: get rid of the entire Republican party in the upcoming elections. Period.
In direct contradiction to my previous post: We should have held off on putting Michael Cohen in jail. He would of advised Trump testify. 
I think it’s important to show that McConnell and Trump are conspiring together, and that the Republicans in Senate are not even going to pretend to have a fair process.
This screwing with the constitution and abrogation of their senate duties should be hammered and hammered in the 2020 election. It should be made clear that a complete and utter housecleaning is in order at the House and Senate level, not just with the president.
2020 should be fought as a referendum; Do we want a King in the Whitehouse, who can do absolutely anything he or she wants, with a Senate of obedient courtiers who praise and flatter the King and are paid off by corporations and foreign governments?
Because that is the route that Republican Senators are choosing.
I suppose that’s fair.
Personally, I’d like to see some evidence that there is some worthwhile human being who has been elected to office - even if still gutless. Winning elections might be great and all but there is such a thing as a pyrrhic victory and I would note that for as bad as Trump might be, he’s a symptom of the system and none of the Democrats on offer have proposed even a single adjustment for it.
I’d hate to see what happens if a smarter Trump landed in the office. At this point, we’re just bucking the odds each and every election.
Agree we will see a recession next year but I don’t see Trump fighting for a stimulus package. He will revel in the misery, blaming democrats and the impeachment for the downturn and his base will eat it up. He will simultaneously claim that it’s only the liberals in the city who are getting hurt by the economy, and take glee in that, and also blame the democrats for the overall recession.
Excellent point. I would dearly love for the next debate to stop yammering about health care for a moment, and ask all the candidates: what legislation would you propose that would prevent the abuses of the Trump Administration from happening again?
Oh he will also blame the Fed for not lowering rates to negative values.
I feel like the Republicans have landed on an ultimate argument for backing Trump, “We don’t want to open up the Presidency to political removal.”
And, to some extent, that is fair. The bar for impeachment is quite high for exactly that reason. The Founders did not want the President to be removed simply because Congress did not agree with their policies or whatever all else.
But, I would suggest that we are in this hole because the general public looked at Crooked Hillary and Don the Con and each was so afraid of the monstrosity being put forward by the other side that everyone was afraid to vote for any other candidate but their own monster. And yet, a very simple solution to prevent that would be, “Don’t vote for crooks.” If you just did that one simple thing, religiously, and everyone just did that one simple thing - which is, in fact, exactly what they are being tasked to do by the Constitution - we wouldn’t have this problem.
Say, for example, that you go to a race car track and the teen employee goes over the rules; stay on the course, don’t come into contact with the other cars, wear your safety harness, etc. But you and your crew don’t like the “stay on the course” rule so you decide not to do that, because it wouldn’t be fun. One of you drives into a tree and dies. Well fuck this place, why don’t they have pads on the trees!? You sue the place and force them to add safety equipment to the trees. People still die every once in a while, because the pads don’t really do much to save anyone (if anything, they just encourage people to play it more risky), but you can’t sue them anymore because they have put up the government mandated safety equipment. But you know, wouldn’t it be fun to start ramming each other? …And then more of your friends die. What the fuck is wrong with this place!? Lawsuit 2 ensues.
Arguing that you don’t want to politicize impeachment is stupid when your solution to that is to politicize impeachment.
Just like there is a secret and hidden method for avoiding having all your friends die - known as “listening to the fucking rules that were made to keep you alive, dumbass” - there is a secret and hidden method to going about impeachment in a way that will not endanger the Constitution: Obey the Constitution.
The problem with obeying the words in the constitution is that it’s possible to lack any integrity at all and deconstruct and redefine language to mean anything the powerful want it to mean. Furthermore, for whatever reason, powerful institutions attract the most power hungry and least restrained individuals. This is the whole idea behind institutional checks and balances.
We the voters should hold the government accountable but when we benefit from abuses of power we tend to succumb to that conflict of interest and look the other way.
Fortunately, HIS lawyer is Rudy Colludiani.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that Republicans are of the opinion that the Constitution is just a stupid fucking piece of paper that gets in the way of their quest to consolidate complete power in a kleptocracy.
Such concern.
So concern.
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Apparently some Democrats are angling to get Justin Amash to serve as the impeachment manager. I don’t know much about him other than that he’s a conservative who opposes Trump and left the Republican party. So I guess he has an air of nonpartisanship about him. But if you were a Republican before Trump you still don’t rank all that high in my book, so I don’t trust him.