Immoral.
Too late. Hell arrived 3 years ago.
It came in the form of people that support a moron to lead them. A significant portion of people in the United States of America want to destroy it.
Nothing will turn Trump supporters away from him. Our only hope is to out vote them. Doing so will allow thinking people to help them.
Trump supporters, and Trump himself, don’t want a ladder to success, that much is clear. That’s way too much work. All they want to do is knock others that want to climb off of the ladder. That’s Trumps entire business model. How many lawsuits is he involved in? 3000 or so?
“Fuck the other guy”, Is a poor path to success. Trump has not succeeded by becoming President. Not at all. He has only made about 100 million enemies in this country and a few billion in the world.
On a hobbyist message board yesterday I saw a call for the establishment of a military dictatorship until “the constitution could be put back in order.” Not one objection was raised.
I said that early last year: Trump’s support has evaporated as much as it’s going to. The Democrats need to go after those who last time voted small party or didn’t bother to vote at all. I, for one, will for the first time in my life be voting in November for the Democratic candidate for President, regardless of who he or she is.
I will make a point of telling this to my Republican senator who is up for election this year and specifically saying whether I vote for any Republicans down ticket depends on their actions for the last two years and up to the election.
Moscow mitch says he has votes so he can start the trial without the need for witnesses.
So the House should issue the subpoenas, and hold up the trial until then.
He can set up the rules, but the trial can’t start until the articles are sent over from the House…
Unless the Senate votes to change the rules that require the articles be delivered.
Unless, of course, you want to argue that Trump hasn’t been impeached yet.
If you believe Trump has been impeached, the Senate can start the trial at any time they have the votes to make the rule that says they can start the trial any time they desire. Presently, the rules say they need the articles to be delivered. But they can change those rules with a simple majority vote.
Non, the rationale was ostensibly that the House impeachment inquiry was unfair to Republicans and therefore (?) its subpoenas were invalid. The Senate trial will ostensibly be fair to Republicans and therefore Mr. Bolton is being consistent.
~Max
Deplorable, transparent and obviously craven, but consistent.
I’m picturing dozens of model railroad guys. Grey hair, suspenders and floppy little railroad caps. Shaking their fists: “We’re runnin’ the most authentic HO Scale Empire Builder in the USofA, and we don’ gotta take this crap no more!”
Which means McConnell doesn’t have the votes to do it.
I think there is a misunderstanding.
McConnell has the votes to move forward with opening statements before a vote is taken to learn if witnesses will be called, nothing more.
What I believe KarlGauss is saying is that McConnell doesn’t have the votes to change the rules to allow the Senate to proceed with impeachment before the Articles are formally delivered. I’m reasonably certain that if McConnell had the votes to change those rules, the impeachment trial would be starting tomorrow.
More to the point: if McConnell had the votes, we’d see a vote on something. This is posturing.
C’mon, Mitch, vote on the impeachment trial procedures. Let’s get all your caucus on record. We’re not seeing that.
The “we’ll get to the witness question in the middle” is almost clever if it wasn’t so transparently obvious that there will be no middle.
Opening statements will be made. Right after that some Republican Senator from the reddest of red states will say “well, golly gee I think this whole thing is one big ol’ partisan sham right here, I motion that we just dismiss this here impeachment right now.” All the other Republican Senators fall in line (because the alternative is not worth considering) and the impeachment is immediately over. The Democrats will say “but what about witnesses?” and the Republicans will respond with something along the lines of too bad, the will of the people is that we don’t need to hear from anyone to know Trump is completely innocent.
At that point I hope the House just impeaches him again, over and over. It’s not like they have a lack of material to work from and I am sure Trump will give us more in the days to come.
Some dems are starting to get, well, a bit antsy about delaying sending the impeachment articles too much longer.
While these guys - along with Manchin and Jones (no surprise) - aren’t asking the articles to be brought forth tomorrow, there’s a definite sense of a growing need for closure here that makes me question if dem patience can last until президент Trump’s SOTU, which is still more than three weeks away. What if more dems start piping up?
I hope not, and that the aforementioned can just squirm it out until then.
There is no “closure” to be gotten from sending the articles over to the Senate. There will be a slam-dunk mock trial and the “I-word” will be yesterday’s news and yesterday’s trash. As long as Nancy holds on, she has Mitch squirming (which is always a good thing) AND she is rubbing it in everyone’s faces that this is NOT going away. If she sends the articles over, it WILL go away promptly and leave no trace. Stand your ground, Nancy! Don’t listen to the “nattering nabobs of negativism.”*
- If you’re old, you can identify that quote without googling.
This is a funny image but it was actually a younger crowd (fantasy football). Those guys may be outnumbered in their age demographic (or maybe not) but there are still plenty of them.
It made me think of recent polling of millennials and Gen Zs who also exhibited a surprisingly high tolerance for dictatorship of some sort, though I suspect for different reasons. The yutes might be thinking of some kind of benevolent fascism that protects everyone’s rights and advances the needs of the underprivileged classes. The Gen Xers at the fantasy football board, um, not so much.
Rumor has it that you were there.