As pointed out by Micah Cohen over at Fivethirtyeight, a poll that actually give information about the impeachment process gives the following result:
With the question: “Impeachment is the first step in the process of removing a president from office. Do you think the House of Representatives should impeach President Trump?” 45 percent said yes; 30 percent said no.
When the question was phrased around starting an impeachment inquiry, it got a bit more support. SurveyMonkey asked, “Do you believe launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump for soliciting foreign interference in a US election is the right thing to do?” And a majority (53 percent) said either “definitely yes” (33 percent) or “probably yes” (20 percent).
Also worth noting that a lot of the “no’s” were saying no because they were worried about Democratic tactics backfiring (i.e. a lot of those no’s were disagreeing on the best tactic for getting rid of the president, not actually supporting him).
It doesn’t cost them anything to say “yes” to this, because they’ll just set the bar of proof as high as they need to. “Trump signed a notarized statement confirming that he knowingly committed high treason? Where was that notary born? Have we seen the birth certificate? COVER-UP! Why isn’t the FBI investigating that??”
There is nothing… NOTHING that could be too ridiculous for hard core Trumpers to support.
They would swear on their mother’s grave that Adam Schiff was a shape shifting lizard person from a far away planet who is intent on destroying humanity. And only Trump can stop him.
Remember when Trump, on national TV, asked Russia to interfere in the election, and they started sending phishing emails to the DNC the next day? I’m beginning to think that wasn’t an isolated incident. Maybe, and I know this is crazy, Trump has routinely sought electoral assistance from foreign countries. Wouldn’t that be insane?
Like I said before, I detest Trump. But without getting into the weeds, it is easy to say, “Wait a minure! What was Biden’s SON doing that was worth THAT MUCH money to Ukraine?”
I’m comfortable that this is just yet another instance of how “who you know” is of primary importance, and that added wealth goes to the already wealthy (in influence and status if not $). But sweetheart deals to the relatives of elected officials carries a whiff of stank, which I could imagine might rub off on Joe.
I don’t believe Biden acted corruptly with Ukraine, but if this mess puts a cloud over his campaign that ends up taking him out of the race, I won’t be upset.
Probably not. It looks like there’s some shady shit that went on with the Biden boys in Ukraine, and I think it should be investigated thoroughly (you guys do support investigations, right?). I don’t mind President Trump using his position to make sure the truth is brought to light.
Yes, there are plenty of things that I could imagine that would make me support this impeachment. Here are some examples: earlier on in this thread, President Trump’s request to Ukraine was characterized as a request “to manufacture dirt” on Biden. There were various other posts that suggested Trump had asked Ukraine to make stuff up / lie about Biden’s Ukranian activities. I don’t see any evidence to support those claims, but if it became clear that he had asked them “to manufacture dirt” rather than just investigate and find the truth of the matter, I would support impeachment.
Likewise, there have been a long-running series of accusations against President Trump that he’s doing Russia’s bidding / controlled by Putin / etc. They are, as of now, unsubstantiated. If, however, it became clear that these accusations were in fact correct, I would support impeachment and removal from office.
I’m sure there are a ton of other scenarios that would find me supporting his impeachment, but I find it helpful to put it in terms of things you guys have claimed, without proof. If you could prove some of those things, then you’d really have something.
Also, even though I think the question is moronic, I’ll go ahead and answer it: Of course he’s “fallible” and makes mistakes.
Neither will I, even though months ago I made a prediction when he officially entered the race, that despite his initial lead he would fade like he always does. That is, he would have faded just on general “Biden-ness”. But now it will be next to impossible to see how much he fades because of this phony “scandal”. And thus my brilliance will go unrecognized, assuming he does collapse.
ETA: I mean of course I won’t be upset that someone else gets the nomination. It is absolutely infuriating to me that scum like Giuliani and Trump could get away with this. I simply cannot understand the mindset of someone who can attempt to ruin another person like this.
I will join the chorus in hoping (as I have since the beginning of the primary) that Biden drops out of the race. I’ve seen no evidence of a big scandal that might push this, though.
Yeah, I’m not seeing any way Joe Biden is connected to any wrongdoing here. Clearly, Hunter Biden took a job for which he had no qualifications, and should have realized that he was being hired only because his sleazy employers thought he could illegitimately leverage his personal relationship with VPOTUS to their advantage. It’s poor judgment and bad optics, for sure.
But AFAIK there are no credible allegations that Hunter did in fact attempt to manipulate Joe, much less that he succeeded in doing so, much, much less that Joe knowingly cooperated with said manipulation.
So there’s no real reason this should hurt Joe, but having your name constantly in the headlines alongside words like “Corruption” and “Scandal” isn’t good for a politician, because a lot of people just read the headlines.
Investigations are fine, but investigations based on crackpot misunderstandings of basic facts (eg, Obama is a seekrit Muslim) ruin the credibility of those who seek them.
Trump seems to have zero understanding of anything Ukraine, so calling for an investigation on the basis that he’s too stupid and filled with 4chan conspiracy theories is not a reasonable proposition.
Besides, the motivation for the investigation appears to be entirely political. If Trump were serious about cleaning up corruption in Ukraine, he shouldn’t say that Manafort was mistreated (and apparently tried to undermine that investigation).
I’m not surprised that some Trump supporters are fine with trading foreign aid money for foreign political aid meant to harm Trump’s political rivals… but it’s a teeny-tiny surprise that they’ll admit it so readily.
And if you’re Trump, you don’t bring your concerns to the FBI. You wait until you have some leverage, use it against Ukraine, and see if they’ll look into it instead. And keep it on the down low, OK?