Everyone is talking about Trump’s base being engaged… The last time they had an opportunity to show this, they got smoked as a home team favorite while many of the refs were in their pockets.
Remember how the notoriously bad at turning out for midterm elections Democrats/liberals overcame a decade of gerrymandering and flipped a record number of seats in 2018? Those results are the difference between Schiff actually leading real investigations rather than the sham that was Nunes. This is actual oversight. And no matter how things go, the same engaged electorate that flipped the House in 2018 will still be there in 2020. And they’ll be even more pissed than before.
Yes, and also the “muddy the story up with a lot of details that will exhaust those trying to pay attention” defense.
Dems need to be ready with lists of prominent Republicans who’ve served on boards of directors for handsome fees, without possessing any expertise in what the company does. That state of affairs is the norm, and Dems shouldn’t be letting Trump-defenders get away with saying (or implying) that it isn’t.
For example:
Nikki Haley is on the board of Boeing—despite having no aerospace expertise.
Paul Ryan, famously, joined the board of Fox—despite having no work experience running a television network.
Mitt Romney was on the board of Marriott—despite having no experience in the hotel industry.
Interesting sidelight on Romney: apparently some on the right are anxious to tie him to, wait for it, Hunter Biden:
Notice how the Federalist writer sneaks in an implication that Biden had someone actually investigating his son fired (he didn’t, but that doesn’t stop The Federalist from saying he did!)
At any rate: for every talking point the Trump defenders have, there are good and credible counters. Democrats need to be ready to share them when Trump fans start spreading the lies.
Chris Wallace has been pretty tough on Trump and has almost been acting like a real journalist lately. Maybe he’s the test case. If he doesn’t get shot, Fox will start to move away from Trump.
The right seems to have settled in on the “Well, it was just hearsay” defense. Can someone explain to me how that makes even the slightest bit of sense considering we have access to this transcript? How do they get away with making these arguments that don’t remotely make any sense on their face?
It doesn’t have to make sense. It’s just something to yell at people who criticize the Great White Hope. “It’s ALL HEARSAY!1!!! How about Biden’s crimes, huh? Why aren’t you talking about that!!!”…that’s how you do it.
I’ll say 32%. That’s about how many, I think, are finding it difficult to admit that they were wrong (12%), plus the 20% who are truly hardcore, racist jerkwads who really wouldn’t care if Trump shot someone on Fifth Avenue.
OK, revisiting this. What if I told you that to my suprise, too, Faux Friggin News asked the question. Asked it to a beady eyed bastard who looks like he licks blood off of sharp knives?
I sont have time to read all 24 pages of this thread but it seems to me the democrats might be better off not impeaching Trump because if they do, well their goes their main debate point - which one hates Trump more. However with Trump gone then the republicans might find someone better and harder to beat.
I mean right now their whole speal is about Trump being the worlds worst boogeyman. What will they have to run on without Trump?
The Constitution limits the penalties for being impeached to two things: 1) removal from office and 2) prohibition on holding future offices. (He still could be prosecuted for actions made while President, provided he wasn’t preemptively pardoned like Nixon was. But that’s beyond the scope of the impeachment.) So if Trump is impeached, he couldn’t be nominated as VP, nor could he run for President.
It’d be really bizarre if he lost the presidency to impeachment and then was almost immediatrely reelected. Although that happened not too long ago to a mayor somewhere who was recalled and then won the election to fill the vacancy. Those who recalled him split their votes on two other candidates, and the former mayor won with a plurality. But getting recalled is different than being impeached and doesn’t have the prohibition on future office holding.
You think that if Trump is forcibly removed from office early that he and his “associates” will simply retire quietly into the background? And that in the course of 13 months, voters will simply forget the shitstorm the GOP has inflicted upon us over the past three years and flock to “someone better?” This stink can’t be cleaned up that fast.
And I also suggest reading this thread and watching the Dem debates. You might be surprised what the main debate point actually is for Democrats.
Saint Cad, over in the first thread, INSISTED that Mitch couldn’t do this, after all,Saint Cad had read some senate rules, and told all of us, in no uncertainly terms we were wrong, wrong wrong. Apparently, Saint Cad is wrong.
Others already pointed out that you evidently are mistaken on what “main debate points” are.
I will also add that everyone knows impeaching Trump has political risks. But you can only live in fear for while a bull is trashing a china shop for so long before you have to try and stop the bull. I realize that to Republicans taking a principled stand might seem curious, but that’s because they abandoned any pretense of principle the moment they hitched their wagon to Trump. Watching the defenses of his actions and words just reinforces that belief.
I mean, take a look at the list of things that actual Republican members of congress floated as impeachable offenses when Obama was in office. Then imagine Obama doing the things that Trump has openly admitted to doing and realize how unprincipled they really are.
OK, revisiting this. What if I told you that to my suprise, too, Faux Friggin News asked the question. Asked it to a beady eyed bastard who looks like he licks blood off of sharp knives?
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Chris asked him some tough questions but, of course, Miller was Miller. I wanted Chris to reach over and snatch the tongue out of that smug liddle’ lizard’s mouth.
