Trump’s campaign strategy and American foreign policy are now one.
That is not the rule for trial upon impeachment. It is the rule for most other matters before the Senate, like bills, nominations, most motions, etc.
No option for voice vote or vote by division.
See bottom of page 182. impeachment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
ETA: I should clarify that it isn’t you who is wrong on the matter, aside from the nitpicking. DrDeth clearly has no idea what he’s talking about.
That’s an extremely naive statement. The Russians (and probably everyone else) have traditionally invested in potential patsies. Kim Philby did not get recruited after he was useful but when he was still in college.
Trump, as an influencer with lots of weaknesses to be exploited, would have been high on their list.
As for other things, we know that Trump lied about the value of his properties on mortgage applications, which is a crime. He is fighting the release of many documents that might show criminal activity while not saying much about his net worth.
Okay then. Well, in my universe Trump does indeed have haters ie. people who hate him. They’ve got good reasons to hate him and some hold dreams of the perfect bad thing that would fuck him over. That’s what I was trying to relate.
Here is the first-day part:
The rest of the article covers known impeachable offenses since taking office; his recent shit looks like treason to me:
Tramp’s UN ambassador and Putin’s defense minister both declared that Russia is waging war on the US. See what the Constitution says about waging war or supporting those who do. Will this be a topic of impeachment proceedings? I have no idea.
“So, Vlad, we’re agreed: I’ll lift all sanctions against you and your supporters, and veto any new sanctions bills, and there’ll be a billion dollars in my Cayman account? Is that the deal?”
“Da, Donald.”
“And given that this is a private communication between two friendly heads of states, we agree it can only be made public if both of us agree, right?”
“Da!”
“It’s such a pleasure making deals with you, Vlad!”
That’s the standard that has to be met before the American public is entitled to know what their President has been up to on the international stage?? Really?
Not even when the Congress has voted $400 million in arms to an allied nation, and the President decides to put a hold on it? Congress has no business being informed of that subversion of their foreign policy goals, unless they start impeachment? Surely there’s some degree of oversight between “Zero” and “impeachment”.
“there are all these trump haters” rhetoric is going to be the very next phase though, I fear, the grievance of the post trump era. hannity says “we are not the hate trump media” with every sign off. It’s a signifier by now of something not good. They are projecting everything back in order to stay off reality. Yes they are projecting projection.
we know it the same way astronomers know there is a black hole somewhere, millions of light years away. It has unimistakeable effects that you can’t deny or explain with any other acceptable intelligent reason.
what is a good plausible reason for trump to kowtow to putin in helsinki, and to violate secujrity in the oval office with the russians?
Did you see nelliebly’s cite above?
The Senate has standing rules governing how impeachment trials are conducted. They do not establish many constraints on what the Senate can consider when sitting as a court…
The fact that Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. would preside over that trial does not prevent the Senate from drafting its own bespoke procedures and rules. The Senate’s impeachment rules provide that Roberts’s evidentiary rulings can be subjected to a Senate vote and overturned according to the Senate’s standing rules.
Presuming motions to overturn such rulings are handled according to Senate Standing Rule XX governing questions of order, a simple majority of the Senate would be sufficient to overrule the chief justice. In other words, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), not Roberts, would be the de facto presiding officer if he so chooses.*
In other words, they can change those rules anytime they want.
I, DrDeth, and not talking about anything. I quoted two experts on the subject.
Do they have any idea of what they are talking about?
Next, you did see **nelliebly’**s cite above?
*The Senate has standing rules governing how impeachment trials are conducted. They do not establish many constraints on what the Senate can consider when sitting as a court…
The fact that Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. would preside over that trial does not prevent the Senate from drafting its own bespoke procedures and rules. The Senate’s impeachment rules provide that Roberts’s evidentiary rulings can be subjected to a Senate vote and overturned according to the Senate’s standing rules.
Presuming motions to overturn such rulings are handled according to Senate Standing Rule XX governing questions of order, a simple majority of the Senate would be sufficient to overrule the chief justice. In other words, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), not Roberts, would be the de facto presiding officer if he so chooses.*
Or to try and get Russia back in the G7?
Or how about Trump’s National Security Advisor Michael Flynn?
Or how about easing sanctions on Russia?
Or just taking Putin’s word for anything vs. his own intelligence agencies.
This is just a sampling.
How about - withheld military aid to Ukraine
I don’t think that any Russians are blackmailing him. It’s just that he’s an idiot with a boy crush on Putin. I bet he talks to Putin way more than we know, and you know Putin manipulates him.
Trump just wants Putin to like him.
How does it matter if whistleblower’s lawyer is partisan?
Because the right wing blather is that the whistleblower is a partisan hack.
And what has got to do with the fact that the White House released the text of the call?
I doubt this is reason enough. Trump would never put anyone else’s interests above his own, no matter how much he’s crushing on them.
So Trump’s kowtowing to Russia must be serving Trump in some way; either he’s receiving bribes or he’s keeping those hooker photos from being released.
Trump has a penchant for announcing great deals that the other side never really agreed to. It could be that he thinks he’s getting something from Putin but he’s really not.
Well, from what I’m reading online, the call was never released, and in fact, never even happened. It’s all “hearsay” and is a partisan witch hunt, which will prove to be the Democrats undoing.
They actually, honestly believe this. Millions of them.
I see that as more and more bits are coming out that our Trump supporters in this thread seem to have stopped posting.
Maybe they’re examining everything that happened and are concluding that maybe, just maybe, the President is not the honest patriot that they thought!
Boy, if I hadn’t been assured that we’re dealing with a Very Stable Genius with a Very Good Brain, I might think we were dealing with a petulant ignoramus who just publicly admitted to a federal crime:
At a bare minimum, that’s another impeachable offense, be that in Articles of Impeachment related to the current inquiry or, perhaps, in a future round.