The Twin Paradox and Cosmic Inflation

Einstein had a famous thought experiment:
One twin hopped on a space ship that can go at nearly the speed of light, and the other stays behind on earth.
For twenty days or so the first twin is flying at near lightspeed for, say, twenty hours.
He comes back to earth to find his brother has aged twenty YEARS.

The paradox arises from a concept in relativity; from each twin’s point of view, the OTHER twin has…relatively…sped away and moved at near lightspeed, so each would conclude the other should age while time passes slowly for himself.

The paradox is resolved when one takes into account that only the twin that got on the space ship was subject to acceleration.

Now…

Suppose we take this idea and apply to twins in galaxies which are expanding away from each other, as per Hubble.

As I understand it, separate galaxies are NOT rushing away from each other through space: space itself is expanding.

Is this expansion an acceleration which…theoretically…produces a twin paradox?

That is correct; light from distant galaxies is red-shifted.

Like the “twin paradox”, however, it is not really anything to do with acceleration.

The twin paradox is all about changing reference frames. The attendant acceleration is just a feature/symptom, not a cause. If you lived long enough, and you had an equally long lived twin you could each start on one of two nearby galaxies, then wait for the universe to expand, and then travel to your twin’s galaxy to meet your twin again. The reference frame change when you travel to your twin should provide a twin paradox. Just over insane time periods.

The two galaxies are each in different reference frames and your travel is in a third, which gets you the paradox.

How do the two twins get back together at the end? If they don’t do that, then no meaningful comparison of their ages is possible.

I’m not following how the twin paradox is resolved. Everything in the universe is in motion, correct? Why does space ship guy age more slowly than earthbound guy? Relative to each other, they’re just moving apart…?

It gets resolved when they come back together and it turns out that they disagree on how far the travel distance (relative to each other) was, or, equivalently, how many ticks passed on their clocks. This apparent paradox goes away when you consider 4-dimensional velocity, which they do agree on (it is the speed of light, which is a geometrical constant).

If nothing else, their experience was much different – one sat restfully on earth while the other experienced many Gs on the way out, got slammed against the other side of the ship as it stopped and reversed, many Gs on the way in, got slammed again as the ship stopped.

The acceleration is what moves you from special relativity to general relativity in my simple understanding, and GR is where the twin paradox pops up.

If they were just moving at different speeds, they would perceive each other’s clocks moving more slowly or whatever, but both reference frames would be “correct”.

Anyway, that’s my simple, mostly incorrect, understanding.

I don’t know about the Cosmic Inflation question.

No, the twin paradox can be described on ordinary, flat space-time and therefore does not use any General Relativity per se. You can consider accelerated (non-inertial) frames of reference, but there is no actual gravitational field involved.

If you analyse things correctly, you should discover that cosmological redshift and the Doppler effect are the same effect, in some sense. I suppose the expansion of the universe is described by General relativity because now you are describing the universe by putting a metric, involving a scale factor, on it, and the space might not be flat in general (cf. all the other threads about attempts to discover the shape of the universe).

Let me provide how I finally came to understand time dilation. I understand no one here needs this explanation, but it will give you the background for how my confusion continues.

I don’t remember what article or online piece provided this, but here’s how it clicked for me. I’m sure I’m butchering this and using terms poorly, but please indulge me.

Picture a stationary boxcar. In the boxcar sits a man, let’s call him Fred, who has the ability to measure with precision what occurs outside his car.

On a parallel track a train passes traveling at near light speed. It pulls a boxcar with a glass side (so Fred can see into it). In that moving boxcar there’s a fellow (Steve!) who has a device that emits a photon from the floor straight up to the ceiling where it hits a mirror and returns. Ten feet up and ten feet down. That up and down takes a nanosecond (or whatever the right time would be for c).

Steve fires away as he passes Fred’s stationary boxcar. From Steve’s perspective, the photon traveled 20 feet in a nanosecond. From Fred’s perspective, it was NOT straight up and down because the train was moving. Let’s say he witnesses 15 feet up (on a slant) and 15 feet down (also on a slant).

Well, since c is constant in every frame of reference, the photon’s trip up and down must have taken longer than a nanosecond for Fred. Hence, time moved more slowly for Fred than for Steve.

Eureka, I shouted (well, not really). This is how it clicked for me…until it didn’t. Because suppose we switched roles and Fred in the stationary boxcar was the photon shooter-upper and Steve measured it as he sped on by. Would the same effect, only reversed, occur? It would take a nanosecond for Fred, but Steve would measure a greater distance and consequently a longer time occurring for the photons round trip, even though he was traveling at near light speed.

Again, thanks for indulging me, but what am I getting wrong? Obviously they can’t both be experiencing a slower passage of time.

Nothing; they indeed both see each other’s photons red-shifted/time passing slower. As @Chronos says, there is not going to be any difference unless one of them turns around and comes back (and subsequently they will look blue-shifted), in which case they are not going to agree on when that happens, that is, on the duration of the inbound/outbound legs.

In the case of the Milky Way and some cosmologically distant galaxy, same thing, we see them red-shifted and they see us redshifted.

So would their clocks be in sync so long as Steve’s train never made a return trip?

And thanks for your response.

Yes, it is symmetric, but not in “sync”, each one sees the other’s clock ticking slower, by the same factor.

I think it’s sinking in now. Thanks for providing some “time dilation for dummies.”

I don’t understand this. Without the acceleration, both twins see the other aging more slowly and there’s no paradox. I thought that once you get into non-inertial reference frames, you leave SR.

Is the OPs question, “is cosmic inflation the same as other forms of acceleration”? I don’t know the answer, but I’m interested in it. I would say that there seems to be something different with cosmic inflation because I understand that objects can move apart faster than c (in a sense?) since space itself is expanding.

From Star Trek as I understand it, when a ship was in warp drive, there was no twin paradox because space itself was being affected. It was not a situation where one entity was accelerating through space and the other entity was not accelerating through the same space. So it would seem that the answer to your question would be no if that theory is correct.

My understanding, at least how I think about it, isn’t that space is stretching out like the ever popular analogy of a rubber sheet being stretched. It’s more like more space is constantly being created, pushing existing space further apart as new space is created. I think of it as a bunch of grains of sand, with new grains of sand constantly popping up into existence between the existing grains of sand..

Paradoxes in special relativity almost always stem from forgetting about the relativity of simultaneity.

No, the clocks of Fred and Steve are progressing at different rates no matter what. Fred sees* Steve’s clock as slow. Steve sees Fred’s clock as slow. This is true on both the outbound and the return journey. Thus… a paradox is born.

While outbound Steve and returning Steve agree about Fred’s clock speed, these two Steves (or two different reference frames for Steve) disagree about which events in the story are simultaneous. That’s the critical piece.

Example: Steve leaves Fred at speed 0.6c, travels 3 light-years (as measured by Fred), flips around nearly instantly 5 years after departure (as measured by Fred), and then travels back at the same speed. During the whole trip, Fred says, “Steve’s clock is slower than mine. He will age 8 years before returning here rather than my 10 years.”

Right before the turnaround, Steve says:

  • “Fred’s clock is slower than mine.”
  • “My clock shows 4 years since departure since I only traveled 2.4 light-years (as measured by me) to this spot, but Fred’s clock shows 3.2 years since departure.”
  • “That matches with the fact that his clock is going slower.”

Right after the turnaround, Steve says:

  • “Fred’s clock remains slower than mine.”
  • “My clock shows 4 years since departure still, since turnaround was instant and my clock stayed with me, but Fred’s clock shows 6.8 years since departure.”
  • “Given the 3.2 Fred-years it will take for my return trip, Fred will show 10 years of aging (6.8 yr + 3.2 yr) when I get there.”

That apparent time jump is because simultaneity assessments differ in the old and new reference frames. In the old frame, the following are seen as simultaneous: Steve is at the turnaround point; Fred sees “3.2 years” on his clock. But those events happen far apart from one another, so a different reference frame will judge them as not simultaneous. In the new frame, the following two events are simultaneous: Steve is at the turnaround point; Fred sees “6.8 years” on his clock.


*“See” is a hazardous verb to use here since there is also a mundane Doppler effect on anything literally “seen”, as through a telescope. So, read “see” here as “would see if he had co-moving clones of himself at all points in the universe so that he can read all clocks locally next to the clock in question” or more simply “would later ascertain through a comparing of notes and calculations”. Or even better: just don’t worry about this detail and happily ignore what “see” means in practice. It doesn’t actually matter for understanding this paradox.


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The bouncing photon “light clock” you described can be used to work out various consequences of the constancy of c. Time dilation is one, of course. Length contraction is another. But relativity of simultaneity is a critical third, yet it is often skipped over in discussions. You need all three. These can all be encapsulated in (or derived from) a single mathematical framework for spacetime, so you don’t have to think about them piecemeal in practice. But if you do think about them piecemeal, and you don’t consider all three carefully, you stumble into apparent paradoxes.

Quantitatively, the relative timing shift T between two events separated by a distance d along a direction of relative motion of speed v is given by T=vd/c^2. In this case, we switch from +v to -v, so there is a double-sized shift, leaving T_{\mathrm{shift}}=2(0.6c)(3\; c\mathord{\cdot}\mathrm{yr})/c^2=3.6\;\mathrm{yr}, as above.

Ultimately this seemingly out-of-the-blue time shift goes back to a deeper question: how are clocks in different reference frames synchronized with each other in the first place? You can also eliminate the “instant turnaround” conceit by having Steve’s brother Schmeve handle the return trip, where Schmeve was traveling toward Fred from far away this whole time. It’s a different analysis of the same situation, but it shows that the details of the turnaround aren’t actually important.

I’m going to answer these questions in reverse order.

  1. Accelerating frames can be handled in SR - this article on the relativistic rocket derives the equations of a constantly accelerating rocket without using GR. It just makes the math a bit more complicated (instead of using algebra to calculate the effects of a constant velocity, you’re using calculus to incrementally determine the effects of a constant acceleration constantly changing velocity). General relativity allows you to calculate the effects of a complicated gravitational field, but for a simple acceleration SR is fine (and you can even add the Equivalence Principle to SR to derive certain effects of gravity).

  2. You can analyse the twin paradox without considering acceleration. As you say, if the twins are traveling apart at a constant velocity, v, each one sees the other’s clock reading slow, and there’s no paradox. But suppose that at some time T, another fellow (C) traveling at a velocity -v (relative to twin B) passes close by twin B, and they synchronize their clocks. Now when C gets to A, his clock will be behind A’s - by the same amount as B’s would have been if B accelerated to return to A.

Very helpful. My thanks!

Let’s say that you’re driving down the street. You note that the road you’re on is very long: Many miles, probably. But it’s not very wide: Maybe only 30’. You come to a cross street, perpendicular to the one you’re on. You note that, in the direction where your road extends many miles, that cross-street extends only 30’. But in the direction where your road extends only 30’, the cross street goes on for miles. In other words, relative to your own street, the cross street is extremely short, but extremely wide.

But now consider someone driving down that cross street, and looking at your road: They’ll say that your road is extremely short and wide. So which street is actually the wide one? It depends on your frame of reference. No matter what street you’re using as your reference, the other one is always wider.