Listen, I can see that many of you have trouble comprehending, but I said, IF THE COP HAS HIS GUN POINTED AT YOU!. Try to ditch your over whelming stupid concerning stuff you are ignorant of! If a COP HAS HIS GUN DRAWN ON ME AND TELLS ME TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF MY POCKET, I AM not going to move! Anyone who does is a fool! LET THE COP ARREST ME, I’LL STILL BE ALIVE AND YOU DUMB FUCKS WILL BE SAYING “BUT BUT BUT…”
Or, you could be dead, if the cop shoots you for not following his instructions.
If the cops shoots me for standing still? You people are insane. Go ahead and believe your fantasy bullshit. If a cop has drawn down on you, you are FOOL to move.
I take it that wasn’t you who was shot while standing still with your arms above your head while fully complying with the police.
And I take it that it wasn’t you was the unarmed therapist who was shot while lying on the ground with your hands in the air while trying to verbally calm the situation and while you were fully complying with the police.
Unless the cop tells you to move, or if they just shoot you, and they don’t even know why.
You live in a fantasy world if you think that your “advice” is going to help.
If a cop has drawn down on you, you follow their instructions. If you refuse to follow their instructions, they may very well shoot you. Please stop giving advice that will get people killed.
miketx, do you recognise the problem? You get shot for for moving, so you’d be a fool to move, but even if you don’t move, there is a real risk that you will get shot.
In your opinion, what will it take to change the rate that American police kill people, including killing people who are quite still and fully complying with their commands.
Chicken…or egg? Plus…scale. Why is it that cops shoot anyone in the US? Answer…because in the US a small percentage of people are very violent and have access to arms, as can be seen by the fact that officers are often shot, and that there is a large number of civilian on civilians deaths relative to other countries. You’d need to look at the root causes of why Americans in general shoot more Americans, then understand what this means for why cops do so, in order to ‘change the rate that American police kill people’. Then you’d need to look at the scale of the problem. Even if we say that every police shooting is unjustified and that every encounter with police is one of these ‘if you move you get shot if you don’t move you get shot’ scenarios (which it isn’t), what’s the actual scale? Well…it’s not that much, to be honest. A thousand or so deaths a year is a very low probability when you look at it that way. And, of course, we are talking about a handful of those 1000 a year deaths that are in this situation, as opposed to the vast majority of shootings by police where they are responding to fire from a civilian.
Personally, rather than spend hundreds of millions or billions on drones that aren’t realistic, I think we’d be better off either accepting that Americans are just more violent and that the death toll we have is part of our history and general population makeup, and having the freedoms and system we have, or looking into those root causes and seeing if, perhaps addressing socioeconomic disparity and lingering racial tensions might address at least some of the problem. YMMV of course.
Which is your preference: accept the violence and death toll, or try to address the root causes?
Do you think that easy access to firearms is one of the root causes?
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My answer is: have two police officers make stops. The one who talks to the detainee is unarmed and dressed in a bomb suit. The other stands back a distance covering them with a submachine gun.
Probably in the middle. Or, basically, both…we need to look at our society realistically, and we should delve into some of the root causes for why we are as we are and what, realistically, can be done about it.
Is easy access to firearms a root cause? No, I don’t think so. Other countries have access to firearms without the same outcome…and some countries restrict access to firearms yet still have high levels of violence. I think the root causes of violence in the US stem mainly from socioeconomic disparity and unresolved racial issues. Access to guns simply facilitates violence, it’s not the cause of it…IMHO anyway. I think we should address those root issues in a better way, instead of all the effort spent (and wasted IMHO) on things like gun control or singling out police officers for being ‘trigger happy’. This isn’t to say we shouldn’t also change some of the systemic issues we have with police shootings, but I think it’s more having the ability to investigate a shooting from a more dispassionate and unbiased way (on both sides) and give a fair and rational judgment on an incident.
Thanks for your answers, XT.
I think it might be easier to come up with a solution to the problem if you changed the premise from “trigger happy cops” to “overly afraid cops”.
The problem I see from all of this is at some point cops became more and more afraid for their lives. How an we solve that problem? If he officer that shot Castille wasn’t so fucking scared Castille would still be alive today. Not that Castille did anything to make the cop scared. He was afraid already.
That’s a harder question. Someone that’s “trigger happy” shouldn’t be a cop in the first place.
Two problems that I see that create a much more confrontational atmosphere than is necessary.
First is the “drug war”. There’s no reason for it, and even if there were, we would have to admit that we have been losing it badly for decades. I don’t really touch the stuff, but I could get pretty much any drug I wanted within an hour or so.
This creates quite a bit of friction between the police and the community. I had a friend who was burglarized, and when she called the cops to file a report, she got cited for having a marijuana pipe. This creates a situation where otherwise law abiding people avoid or fear the police, and will not get them involved or cooperate with them.
The other problem is just the complete disrespect shown by officers towards those they are supposed to be protecting and serving. You don’t have to kill a man in order to degrade him. You don’t have to shoot a man in order to prove to him that society has no place for him. They demand absolute respect and obedience, but in return give only abuse and fear.
We teach them young, and we continue the education, that cops are not your friends, that cops are not to be trusted, and that cops are the enemy.
Cops gunning (or beating) down black people is as old as professional police departments in America. The difference is that back in the “good” (bad) old days no white people gave a s***. Whites considered negroes savages and the police the heroic guardians of public safety (for whites). White police proudly considered it a part of their job to make sure the “coloreds” “knew their place”, they could beat or kill blacks for absolutely nothing with little consequence, and carrying a “hot” gun to plant in a freshly killed black man’s hand was S.O.P. So it would seem that police have always expected and been prepared for the worst when stopping blacks.