The Unholy Atrocity That Is “Banana Ball”

OK, I saw this event on Friday night and I was going to start a thread called “The Unholy Atrocity That Is “Banana Ball””, but I guess I’ll put it here.

There is no debating that this is genius level marketing; as I told my friend “the Democrats need to hire this guy”. Wrigley Field was sold out, and most people seemed to be having a great time. I actually thought it must have been something like being a normal FM radio listener walking into a Grateful Dead show. Something was happening there, but I didn’t know what it was. (And apparently some people do literally follow them around all summer, so it kind of fits) The large majority of the crowd were decked out in official Bananas regalia. Come to think of it, also like a Dead show, almost everyone was white. The whole thing had a very “Disney adult” vibe.

I can see the appeal of a faster-paced version of baseball, which this certainly is, but they completely defeat the purpose by adding in a lot of their own dead air. There was IIRC a two hour pregame show, which I saw about half of. A lot of it was just the cheerleaders dancing (all the cheerleaders were men) with enthusiasm but without the slightest evidence of any actual dance training. This was accompanied by exhortations to “Get up and make some noise!” Then there were “audience participation” games which were the kind of thing you’d see at a low budget county fair. For example, at one point they had two fans put on grossly oversized sweatpants and attempt to catch bananas in their pants. The bananas were thrown from progressively further away, eventually from the upper deck of the stands. This bit was stretched out to over ten minutes. Another couple minutes were killed by pulling a random six year old girl from the crowd and instructing her to lead everyone in dance moves. And lots and lots of encouraging the crowd to give themselves a big hand for being great. Seriously, if you must go to this, just show up at game time.

Once the game began, it was indeed fast paced. They don’t have it in their official rules, but the pitchers acted like they were on about a 5 second clock. That’s really what makes the game move fast. All their rules changes are dumb. One in particular illustrates how unserious this activity is as a sport – a foul ball caught by a fan is an out. Can you imagine how this would work at a Red Sox-Yankees game? People would be getting maimed.

Another one: The winner isn’t determined by who scores the most total runs. Rather, you get one point for each inning in which you outscore your opponent. OK, fair play. It’s arguably a problem with baseball that sometimes a team will have a big inning and put the game almost – but not quite! – out of reach, and then the rest of the game is boring. This system eliminates that problem.

Oh yes, one other wrinkle; this doesn’t apply to the NINTH inning, in which each run scores counts as a point, so no deficit is theoretically impossible to overcome. So…they’ve just re-invented…oh my aching head.

Overall, though, it was recognizable as a baseball game and the weird rules didn’t come into play all that often. Sometimes they caught pop flies behind their backs, whatever. The only thing that prevented the game itself from being enjoyable for me was the constant loud rock music throughout the game; just the hooks of some of the worst and cheesiest songs ever. “Kung Fu Fighting” was involved and I’ll just leave it at that. Bad enough they do that between innings in the majors.

Despite it all, I can’t say I had a bad time, though I would certainly never go again of my own volition. A small handful of actually really funny things happened. The tweens I was with loved it, which did not surprise me. But why any adult would subject themselves to it mystifies me.

Very very enjoyable review.

One thing just occurred to me, which I can only have unqualified praise for and which I suspect may account for some of their popularity:

While we were in our seats for three hours, we were exposed to grade-school talent show level entertainment, cringy music and constant exhortations to Have Fun that started to feel a bit Orwellian after a while. But at no point did anyone try to sell us something or advertise any product to us. This is the one aspect of Banana Ball I would heartily urge all professional leagues to adopt immediately.

…a huge time savings mechanism? What’s so hard to understand about a skins-type scoring for 8 innings and then regular scoring for the final inning?

I enjoy the hell out of Bananaball, and I enjoy the hell out of MLB. They are different things, and it’s silly to complain about a Bananaball rule by saying it would never fly in the MLB. One of those reasons is because Bananaball fans are there to have fun, not hurl insults at fans of the other team. That’s refreshing.

I’ll agree that the music is too damned loud and it gets to be a bit much after a while. But stuff like having a little girl lead 35,000+ in a dance is just plain fun. Having an entire brass band follow one particular player around all game because one time he mentioned that he didn’t like the band is funny.

OK, I can see that it does in fact save a lot of time, since if the visitors don’t score, the bottom of the inning can end as soon as the home team scores one run. Fair point.

My main takeaway from that review is that while it wasn’t their cup of tea, they were impressed as hell with everything about it. They didn’t say that it sucked, they just didn’t personally enjoy most of it.

Well, former MLB player Kerry Wood did make an appearance, throwing a behind-the-back pitch for a strike.

I have requested the Mods to split these posts off.

I’m not a a Banana Ball fan, but I live by Wrigley and this weekend seems like Lollapalooza like crowds. They’re doing something right.

I just took a look and they have games scheduled through the end of September and they are all sold out.

They certainly seem to be. A baseball purist may well see Banana Ball as being gimmicky – and, to be sure, many aspects of it definitely are. But, that said, Jesse Cole (the creator of Banana Ball) has figured out how to keep a baseball game moving, eliminate “dead air” pauses in play, incorporate showmanship and stunts as an actual feature of play, and engage people who aren’t necessarily big fans of traditional baseball.

Time will tell if it’s more than a fad, but for the moment, they’ve caught lightning in a bottle.

My opinion exactly. I saw two BB games this season. I was entertained, but I probably won’t ever go see another one.

I pulled what I think is all the “Banana Ball” posts from the MLB - July thread.

Oh my gosh, I could not disagree with this sentiment more.

Any rule change that moves us away from sports as Serious Business is a smart change. Sports as Serious Business aren’t responsible for all the ills in our society, but they sure as shit are responsible for a lot of ills–from warped educational funding to organized crime involvement to distorting childhood to gambling to public-funded stadiums to transphobic culture-war bullshit and on and on.

If Bananaball is encouraging people to lighten up about sports and treat it as a fundamentally silly pastime instead of as something to break lives over, I am all for it. (edit: to be clear, I am all in favor of fundamentally silly pastimes).

Rather as the original XFL tried to do to/with/against NFL.

I really liked XFL; most of the rule changes enhanced the excitement. The fact that all but hard core fans now mostly watch NFL highlight reel shows or vids demonstrates how NFL has ceased to be entertainment and is instead a 3-hour marketing spectacle with a few seconds of athleticism tossed in at unpredictable times.

I think of Banana Ball as being more akin to the Harlem Globetrotters. While Banana Ball games are getting televised occasionally now, their primary focus is on the in-person, in-stadium experience.

Correct. And they’re obviously doing something right. Virtually all games are sold out.

I just happened to watch the last inning of a game a couple of nights ago. The game ended when a fan caught a foul ball.

& have been for months. Their tickets are like a concert, selling out within minutes of going on sale.

I happened to see part of a Banana ball game on TV a few days ago. Googling, it was the Hartford Party Animals hosting the Indianapolis Clowns, and Dunkin stadium was sold out.

After my first “what on earth is this!?!” reaction, I thought that it looked like silly, goofy fun.

Kind of. The main difference is that there are four teams and it’s competitive. There isn’t an equivalent of The Generals.