The United States Declares Economic War on Canada

Shut down your country with massive protests. Shut down the streets, businesses, government. Politely writing letters is doing nothing. If not now, when? In four years when there are no more elections?

It’s true. And it’s inevitable. I’ve given up. [if people take to the streets, I’ll be there. But I don’t see it happening. Americans are fine with all this, by and large.]

As far as generally opposing Trump, I have a volunteer job helping immigrants.

As for as what to do to help Canada, we were thinking of vacationing in western Massachusetts this summer but will probably go to Canada. We’re also more likely to buy stuff made in Mexico or Canada, even if we have to pay more.

Protests? If someone tells me that they are really, really sure that they are right, and I am wrong, that only cements me in my views. So I have a hard time imagining how protests will help, and an easy time seeing how they could alienate swing voters. Maybe I have a blind spot there.

POLITICO: Lutnick says Trump could reduce Mexico, Canada tariffs Wednesday

The S&P 500 only went down by 1.22 percent today. I thought it would take more than that.

I guess the idea is to keep all of North America guessing and then be grateful he didn’t mess up the economy even more. I know, won’t work with Mexicans and Canadians, but could work in my country.

I agree with this assessment.

If Australia gave a similar undertaking to reduce it’s fentanyl exports to the US, could we get an exemption from the unilateral imposition of tariffs as well?

My wife said we should buy a Canadian flag (since we’re four miles from the border). ‘And,’ she said, ‘a Mexican flag and a Ukrainian flag.’ I said, ‘And an American flag.’ She agreed.

Last post — good thinking.

Unfortunately, no, because fentanyl is just a phony legalistic excuse for Trump declaring an emergency.

What I’m confident would work is to buy one of these, putting it in a prominent place on your Parliament House grounds:

Then I’m afraid you’ll have to guard it continually against defacement.

Lutnick says a lot of things. They don’t seem to have much bearing on what Trump does subsequently.

Gotta support the Chinese economy!

Trump: Just bear with me.

Translation: He’s talking about the markets.

Trump: Tariffs will create jobs like you’ve never seen before.

Translation: You will never see jobs created by tariffs.

Well, here’s a symbolic fight, captured on film in Burlington, ON: :smiley:

And the Canada Goose won!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/canada-goose-bald-eagle-burlington-bay-brawl-1.7473477

Lutnick’s comments sound like he wants Canada to beg, not that they actually have.

Trump has been known to back down, but last time he did, it was before tariffs were raised. Now they’re on. He’s not going to be quick to back down now; even he knows he’ll look weak unless he gets some enormous win. The point is annexation.

Yeah. Fly all of them.

I’m not willing to hand Trump the American flag yet. It has got his shit all over it, but I still have some faint hope that it can be washed.

One of the very few upsides to this whole situation is that we’re likely going to get the Canadian flag back as a symbol from the freedom convoy chuckleheads.

I think Trump is intending on blatantly influencing the Canadian elections this year, at some point he’ll offer to ease the tariffs and back off the encroachment if the Canadian people elect the candidate he likes.

It seems to be working so far if the polls are anything to go by, just not in the way he imagined. Poilievre has been caught with his short pants down.

So true. Trump has made our (Canadian) patriotism a good thing again.

Poilievre is leading The Economist poll 39% to 33%. This is a big change over a 20%+ lead especially when the Libs have not yet elected a leader. The countryside will vote Conservative, and the Libs rise is also due to low NDP numbers, and possibly Quebec independence seeming to be on the wane for now. The odds still favour Pierre, though it is early days.