As many as it takes, just like any other war.
We’re Canadian, not American. There is more to that than the word on the money. Do you really want a hundred examples? This is our country, and we have a right to self determination. (And you’re a fool if you think they’'ll give you a vote.)
If they invade?
As many as it takes.
Who is it you think will be doing this unconventional warfare and against whom? Are you planning to go south and blow up schools, malls, government buildings,…? Or are you going to be killing Canadians who are working with the Americans to get things moving again because they’re ‘traitors’? If the US took over Canada it will never give it back. Canada would never exist again. So, what is your point in fighting rather than make the best of a bad situation?
But lets say you manage to make concessions enough to carve out a portion of Ontario and Quebec as Canada. How does that exist without the rest of the country?
And let’s just imagine that somehow, miraculously you manage to kick them out, you think things will remain the same? You think the country will just go back to the status quo? Not likely.
Look, I did my time in the army when we new that we’d die fighting the Soviets if it came down to it. I ran through he woods during training exercises yelling, ‘Bullets, bullets, bullets’, because we had no blanks for training. But I’d have gone to war to fight them because that was the right thing to do. I won’t be fighting Americans because of marginal changes in government or services.
So if the man attempting to sexually assault the woman is “good looking …”
It’s hard to understand exactly how obtuse your approach to this question has been.
Damned hard.
I posted this in another thread, but here is how I think the civilized world stops America when the shooting starts. If democracy is saved on the planet, it will be because of Ukraine and Canada.
I think that the western democracies will need to:
A) do everything in their power to exacerbate America’s political divides, including covert funding for astroturf secessionist movements (both far left and far right).
B) form alliances with China, jihadists, Iranians and anyone else who hates America, support terrorist groups with funding, training and weapons.
C) Trudeau had the right idea when he announced tariffs targeting red state America, when the shooting starts continue that policy by supporting terrorist action that makes red state America bleed. Remember, we’ve dismantled a lot of our intelligence apparatus, now is the time to plant the operatives. America can’t be defeated in the battlefield it has to be defeated by undermining Trumps fascist base’s support of him and driving a further wedge between red America and blue America, which is the economic heart of the US.
D) again, when the shooting starts support blue state governments who refuse to support Trump action and not only feed secessionist sentiment in blue America, but support the creation of independent countries from blue America and/or allowing remnants of the US to join Canada. Basically try to destroy America from within. We are almost halfway there.
E) China is the wild card, if possible bring them in the coalition.
Tell that to the Vietnamese. Or the Iraqis. Or the Afghanistanis. And these fellows never had access to US proper.
Occupiers can be made to rethink their actions in the face of endless violence and chaos. Some invasions are not worth the constant blood and instability.
Or, just hear me out, you have the right to sacrifice your life and leave the rest of us alone. You have no right to sacrifice me or anyone I care about for your right to be Canadian when the actual difference between a Canadian and American is the equivalent of a bubble chart that overlaps by 95%.
About 98% of the DNA between chimpanzees and humans is the same.
More specious arguments couched as ‘statistics?’
Huh.
Those rights you love (to peace and safety) are ensured by a Canadian government which was destroyed by US invasion. They are now the responsibility of the US occupier to guarantee. It is the job of a insurgent force to prevent an occupation force from being able to assure anything, nor have any ability to project power and influence.
IOW “lets see them enforce it”.
Exactly right. We won’t defeat the US militarily. What we will do is make them bleed long enough that their internal divisions finally make them collapse.
The only difference is that we’ll need a much bigger collapse that Vietnam, et al. needed. It was relatively easy for the US to just withdraw from these overseas adventures and let them sort the rest out by themselves, but Canada will likely require a major collapse of the US at home, such as from a major civil war, a coup or the like.
If it comes to an invasion, the citizens of the US will have already lost their own country and the eventual North American giant will effectively be Gilead and not the USA. Not only will there not be a gay opera, there will be no out gay people. No abortion. No birth control. This isn’t about ending dairy supply boards and universal healthcare. I have two older teenage girls and I would fear for them in this new country.
Margaret Atwood saw this coming.
What the hell are you talking about? The guy wants to go out and kill people endlessly for some cause of self-determination when the end result of being a Canadian or and American isn’t such a big deal in my opinion.
Again, how am I making a specious argument. Americans and Canadians are pretty much indistinguishable for the most part.
Schools? Malls? Lord no. That’s just murder. Bombing civilians is the American way, not ours.
The Quislings will get what’s coming to them.
The USA has a very recent history of abandoning situations that were too tough for them. I did swear an oath to defend the country and I’m not a liar.
Force of habit?
You have no right to sacrifice anybody’s life by attempting to destroy another country’s right to self determination. No matter what you think of their reasons for wanting it (and you don’t appear to be paying any actual attention to the reasons in this case.) No country has the right to simply take over another.
The USA is well on the way to producing that all on its own, IMO.
I love my country. But I’m not sure it even exists any longer.
Hmm, I wonder what an American would say to something like that. Just spitballing, but I think it would go a little something like this:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Nah, that would never happen. Disregard that nonsense!
Indeed, one could say Canadians owe it to their fellow men and women around the world to resist fascism. If everyone takes the Uzi attitude of “oh well, jut give up and let the imperialist regime take over,” then that’s how the world will work. Have a look at Europe and East Asia from the 1930s through 1945 to see how well that goes. What happens is you got so many tens of millions dead that no one even knows what the number was within five million.
If the US chose to take over Canada, not much anyone can do about it. I can’t say I’d like it as a whole bunch of people would get killed for no good reason.
But Trump making the argument that if Canada doesn’t like tariffs, they can join the US is a perfectly reasonable position. Trump wasn’t elected by Canadians. He has no obligation to support us, make us happy, or not upset us. If he wants to tear up every trade agreement, treaty, or contract with us, he is only limited by the laws of his country in doing so. If Canada goes under, so be it. It is not his obligation to support us.
If Trudeau said that Canada wouldn’t survive as a nation state to Trump as Rubio has claimed, then it is our own fault for sending such a lightweight to someone like Trump. I can’t imagine that trying to get sympathy from Trump would go over well with him. He’d look at it as weakness or an opportunity and thus we have our current crisis.
So, would Trump invade Canada. No. Would he try to crush us economically? I wouldn’t put it past him. He’d then wait to pick up the pieces.
Except Canada has an equivalent document. And goes to my point that we are essentially the same.
If we were “essentially the same”, we wouldn’t be having this conversation, because there wouldn’t be a significant number of Americans, including their fucking president, talking about annexing us.