Bunch of reasons listed that all have solutions and are just excuses. The same as most of the other objections I’ve heard so far.
No reason to go over them other than the last one which would be to implement a residency requirement to access the system. Simple solution, problem solved. Most of the others have similar solutions. That you can’t see them is because you don’t want to see them. I’m not the one who is wrong here. It is just your hate for Americans (and Albertans) that fuels your inability to think rationally.
No, you are simply ignoring what Trump and America are actually like to project some totally imaginary version of what the conquest of Canada would actually be like. People who think national health care is evil and that Canadians need to be punished for their defiance are never going to allow it to continue.
I tell you why it won’t be like that or won’t happen at all. Yes, Trump is crazy, but not everyone is. The difference is social media and all the pictures and video from such an invasion. The difference is that because Americans and Canadians are so alike, no one wants to see pictures of bombed out cities that are essentially duplicates of their own. It is quite different to see Iraqis and Afghanis blown up, but not so much when it is your neighbor and they look and act like you and it is likely that you know someone from there.
So, any invasion, assuming it happens at all, will be very surgical with the minimum damage. Why do that when you could crush it economically? If you want to fast track it, implement an embargo.
Again, it is one thing to bomb Tehran and another to do the same to Toronto.
So what are those solutions?
And if any of them require “money”, you must address the context in which your wonder solutions are happening.
- Trump has said our taxes will go down. That’s his big plus for us. Our taxes pay for the healthcare system. If taxes go down, where does the money come from?
- Our healthcare system keeps costs lower than the US because we insist on negotiating things like drug prices as a country, which gives us enough leverage to have a huge effect. Such negotiations are largely specifically banned in the US. So costs will rise, even as tax revenue falls. So where will this extra money come from?
Much like the AHCA (“Obamacare”) funneled millions of new customers to the Godforsaken US for-profit health insurance industry, why would anybody believe that the 40 million Canadians wouldn’t be viewed as a similar industry bonanza?
Rural MAGAts do not see urban people as humans like themselves. They perceive all cities as full of brown people, immigrants, and leftists. They perceive all cities as dangerous and hostile. They won’t have any problem bombing cities.
Yeah, that solution “sucked” - on the other hand prior to that those millions had NO access to the US healthcare system at all. So.. yeah, it sucked, but not as badly as the situation before it was enacted. Which shows just how shitty the US health"care" system really is.
Humans blow up their neighbors all the time. Sometimes including the neighbors who live right next door and who they were having dinner with last year.
What species do you think you’re a part of?
Canada is regarded as full of “liberals and socialists”, which in the eyes of the faction running the country is synonymous with “Satanic pedophiles”. They will want to see the cities burn, the population tortured & massacred, and mass rape. They’d be ecstatic to watch it all live on TV; every dead Canadian and raped woman will be a victory for God.
Other Americans disagree, but they no longer have a say in the matter and never will again. Our corpses will join yours on the pile soon enough.
Which is why I have since called her Danielle “steal”.
That has to be one of the funniest posts I’ve ever seen on the board! 
Let me summarize the ongoing arguments for those that haven’t bothered to read them. It basically goes like this:
You said that Canadians are “just like Americans” (wrong!). You said that universal health care could still work here after a merger with the US (wrong!). I said that there is an endless list of insurmountable problems in setting up a state-based universal health care system. I listed some of the biggest ones, showing why it could never work.
But you claim, without a shred of evidence, that each such problem has an imaginary solution, none of which solutions you’ve even tried to present (the “residency status” argument against medical tourism is total bullshit and is virtually unenforceable – the critical no-exceptions requirement here for access to the medical care system is proof of legal residency in Canada). The other huge obstacles to state-based UHC within the US you never even tried to address). According to you, the fact that it’s never been done despite concerted efforts is not relevant. We should believe that it can be done because you say so, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
I’ll go along with a previous poster and take the position that there’s no point in having a good-faith discussion with you about this.
That surprised him? Does he know nothing about the history of satire? Didn’t do “A Modest Proposal” in high school?
Dude, where have you been for the last, you know, your entire life? Ever heard of Yugoslavia? Rwanda? Myanmar? Yemen? UKRAINE?
Compared to Yemenis, they are the same. Compared to Russians, they are the same. That you don’t see it is not something I can fix.
But you claim, without a shred of evidence, that each such problem has an imaginary solution, none of which solutions you’ve even tried to present (the “residency status” argument against medical tourism is total bullshit and is virtually unenforceable
You can’t even accept that Canadians and Americans are more similar than different. Why would you accept any argument I’d make on anything else.
I could say that adding the amount of left leaning representatives to congress would allow a block to form to make laws on lobbying that could limit big pharma.
I could say that having ID’s, or like in Canada now, presenting my health card, ensures that I don’t get charged for the services I use. If someone from another state comes to your state’s hospital, they get charged like any other user.
All solutions, its as if you think that UHC magically appeared in Canada and there were no issues getting is installed.
Every single issue blocking UHC has a solution. Choose to fix it.
Health care is delivered by the provinces under the Canadian constitution but funded by the Feds. What do you think is going to happen under Trumpschulss?
Look, we all accept that Americans and Canadians are more like each other than they are like a culture such as Rwanda or Mongolia. This similarity does arise, in large part, from our histories as a colony of England > UK.
What you don’t seem to get is that a few of those differences are so fundamental as to make them permanently distinct. Language? Similar, except that Canada is officially bilingual at the federal level, and has a significant Francophone minority.
The US has a significant Spanish-speaking minority, but there is no majority hispanophone state and there is no official policy of bilingualism at the federal level. Can you imagine US presidential candidates holding debates in two languages? That’s expected here for candidates for PM.
Canada has a very, very different attitude to:
- guns
- healthcare
- how a democratic republic is governed (our Westminster-style parliament, the relation between the provinces and the federal government, criminal codes… it’s a long list)
and also a very different history.
You gloss over these things as if they were incidental rather than fundamental. It’s not that Americans and Canadians don’t have a lot of common ground, it’s that they’re not remotely close to “same” and only really “similar” when you ignore some whomping great differences.
And – to my earlier point – compared to a ball bearing, you are exactly like a chimpanzee.
I wish you and your arboreal progeny nothing but the best.
It’s called using an (in this case, totally contrived) average where a weighted average is infinitely more appropriate.
A statistician stuck his head in an oven and his feet in a refrigerator. But on average the temperature was just fine.
There is only one taxpayer. The provinces pay 78% of the bill.
https://www.cma.ca/how-health-care-funded-canada#:~:text=More%20than%2070%25%20of%20health,since%20Medicare%20was%20first%20established.
This seems like the stronger argument.
While this seems like the weaker/far less important argument.
@Uzi why not try to argue against the stronger argument, here?
Hell, even rural/suburban architecture differs. I live in Massachusetts; some years ago visited a friend in Ontario, and was immediately struck by differences between what houses and downtowns of pretty much the same vintage in much of New England the Canadian equivalents looked like. It wasn’t an OMG where am I? difference, but it was there.