The US justice system had gone mad

The US justice system has gone mad.

In the last hour, I’ve read about two outrageous incursions by the long arm of US law, and law enforcement, into the lives of its citizens.

By comparison with the second case (below), the first story I encountered seems almost trivial. Still, but briefly . . .

. . . the state of New Jersey has subpoenaed the source code and documentation for an award winning program written by a group of MIT students. No charges have been laid but as the Wired article notes there are hints of serious consequences that might still come to pass. Hints of consequences for having written a proof of concept program that made no money for anyone.

Although it’s not explained well in the Wired article, the program in question was designed to offer an alternative to having ads on web sites, i.e. instead of having ads, a site would employ the site visitor’s machine to mine Bitcoins. Presumably, safeguards would be put in place to allow the visitor to ‘free’ him or herself from Bitcoin mining slavery simply by leaving the site or by asking for his/her permission in the first place - do banner ads ask for your permission to use your machine’s CPU? In any case, it was just a proof of concept. The program was not (yet) able to work.

Beyond the hints of possible charges, though, is the cost of the students ‘defending’ themselves and their work from the government. And that’s what is frightening to me. Although in this case, there is no lack of support to help with the ‘defence’ (with both MIT and the Electronic Frontier Foundation taking up the cause), what about a less well-connected ‘accused’? Or if it had been involving a less glamorous cause? Scary. A time-honoured way to harass whoever the government wishes to stifle, but now applied to information and ‘the electronic frontier’.
But it is the second case is the one that is absolutely outrageous. Here is the relevant New York Times article. In this case, a mother is going to prison for ordering online, and then administering to her 16-yo daughter, the miscarriage inducing drugs “mifepristone (formerly called RU-486) and misoprostol, [medications that] have been available from a doctor with a prescription in the United States since 2000 and are used around the world to induce miscarriage.”

As the NYT story details, for financial and other ‘real-life’ reasons, the mother felt she had no other way to obtain an abortion for her daughter (her constitutional right). BTW, this was early in the first trimester when the risk, if any, of using RU-486 is very small. It’s so small in fact, that it’s perfectly legal and acceptable so long as it’s done via a doctor’s prescription. But that requires finances and a car . . . (read the article).

In any case, when the daughter started bleeding after taking the drugs, they went to the hospital and, instead of saying she was having a spontaneous miscarriage (which is indistinguishable from the effect of RU-486 both in symptoms and risk, and which would have given the hospital no reason to stick its nose into anything), they told the truth. And now this woman is going to jail. For nine to eighteen months. For what? Read the article for the revolting rationalization given by the DA and the judge (basically for ‘endangering her daughter’ and ‘for practicing medicine without a license’.). I suggest also reading the comments. The only good news in all this is that NYT readers (at least) see this for what it is: a justice system gone mad.

ETA: As many commenters have asked, will the DA now go out and prosecute all the men who ordered Viagra online and who thus also practiced medicine without a license?

In retrospect, after missing the edit window, I realized too late that I shouldn’t have impugned the entire US justice system. I should have limited my little screed to NJ and PA.

Still, in my defence, I was pissed!

So on the one hand, we’ve got a couple doucheknockers who deliberately distributed malware to hijack unsuspecting people’s computers to mine bitcoins, and on the other hand we have a person who illegally distributed drugs of unkown provenance, and who practiced medicine without a license, resulting in the hospitalization of her daughter.

These are the people you’re upset about being prosecuted?

The problem with the government is that more and more they seem to be either incompetent/useless or life destroying draconians. There is no middle ground so much of the time. They either totally fail to do their jobs or they are pointing sniper rifles at non-violent protesters. I don’t know if that is actually happening more and more, but it feels like it at least. They either overreact or underreact.

You sound just like the PA DA. Not a compliment.

BTW: The students “distributed” a non-working program as part of an MIT sponsored competition. Had the mother bought Viagra for her husband, would you feel the same?

Mostly it’s the prison time for mom. You really think that’s the right spot for her? Honestly?

You sound like an idiot. That is also not a compliment.

AFAIK Viagra still requires a prescription. People who distribute drugs illegally are committing a crime. People who practice medicine without a license are committing a very serious crime.

Yes. It turns out abortion is legal in Pennsylvania. This woman went to a great deal of trouble to procure unknown drugs from a shady supplier and administer them to her daughter, when she could have just taken her to a Planned Parenthood.

I suggest you actually read the NYT piece and not just look at the pictures.

You, sir, are a moron.

KarlGauss isn’t the one sounding like the idiot here.

Definitely an insult. To you. For being an idiot. Wanted to be clear about that.

Is it hijacking? The OP isn’t clear. It could be a legitimate source of revenue to pay for the cost of the website. You’d go to the website - knowing that the program existed - and the program would use part of your computer’s resources to mine for bitcoins while you hung out on the website. I don’t see that as being any worse than paying for a website by selling ad space.

KarlGauss, there is already a previous thread on the second case.

Do you think that being a mother automatically qualifies someone to distribute medication? Do you think that someone who causes harm to someone else without meaning to should get off scott free on account of they didn’t mean to?

What kind of harm are you talking about? The same type that’s acceptable if she had a doctor’s prescription? The type that had she known what to expect could have been managed with a few pads?

I take it you would also prosecute all the men who buy Viagra on line?

No, this is simply about punishing her for (gasp!) helping her daughter get an abortion.

KarlGauss , you keep comparing mifepristone and misoprostol to Viagra. I get that there’s a double standard…but do you honestly think those are really comparable?

Medically, no. Legally, in the case at hand, very much,

I would prosecute the people who sell Viagra online, along with people who gave it around without any kind of medical checks.

I’m not sure what crime the MIT students are suspected of. I think there are plenty of big-company websites which ask permission to inject code. If the government needs to inspect source code for signs of mischief, why in heaven’s name has the code that operates electronic voting machines never been checked?

A debate on U.S. prescription law might be useful, but the question about the second case is the severity of the mother’s sentence. Do those defending prescription law think justice is served by incarcerating that mother? What about bankers who have effectively confessed to defrauding taxpayers and homeowners of many billions of dollars? None of them went to jail.

Huh, wait I a minute I thought I can confess to federal or state law enforcement about how I buy morphine and heroin online til the cows come home and unless they can find me actually in possession of it nothing will come of it.

I’m assuming the med the woman is accused of ordering isn’t even scheduled, it obviously has no value to addicts, so huh?

Yea, calling the second case an example of the “justice system gone mad” is dumb. There’s an obvious public interest in regulating usage of potentially dangerous medications, the woman clearly broke the law in administering one of those medications without any medical qualifications, her daughter was a clear victim of her illegal action and so the State prosecuted her. The whole thing is clear-cut. It’d be weird for the Justice system not to try and prosecute her.

The Wired article is ridiculous, making it kind of impossible to tell if there’s an actual abuse by the Justice system involved. The closest the article comes to saying what the actual case is about is that the people involved “may have broken State law”. That’s some great reporting!

The article doesn’t have any statement from the State on what the issue with the code is. They don’t even have any statement from the people taking the students side on what they’re being accused of. And its not really clear why the State is subpoenaing code that the students are apparently already distributing on the web.

I think there’s a clear public concern about people practicing medicine without a license or any experience - especially in cases where the subject is a minor. I have no problem with laws prohibiting that.

The argument that there’s no difference between buying medication yourself and getting a prescription is ridiculous - doctors have years of training on when it’s a good idea to use a medication and what medication should be used. Anyone who thinks they can obtain comparable expertise from a few hours reading online websites is deluding themselves.

That said, imprisonment seems an unjustifiably harsh sentence under the circumstances.