The Voice [season thread]

Now that it’s all over, let me count the ways in which this show is MUCH better than American Idol:

**1. It has heart. **You always get the sense on American Idol that they’re playing a game with you, with the audience, with the performers. The judges goof around inappropriately at times, and often it’s clear that they really have nothing to say and aren’t invested that much in the performances. But on The Voice, you get the sense that everyone really cares. I’ve actually been quite moved by the way the mentors have taken their contestants under their wings and really tried very hard to do right by them, contest or no. And areas that could have gone horribly wrong didn’t - the mentors didn’t try to sabotage each other’s contestants, there was no heavy feuding between them. They all seemed to like each other, and they all came across as likeable people - even Christina, in the end. Blake Shelton in particular really impressed me as being a super nice guy. I just hope to God it wasn’t all an act, and I’m going to dread reading some expose’ where a former contestant like Dia comes out and says that once the show was over all the doors slammed and all the talk about ‘friends for life’ was just Hollywood BS. But somehow I don’t think so.
2. Production Values. Oh my God, this is how a music/variety show should be produced. Everything from the stagecraft to the lighting to the musical direction to the cinematography is light years better than anything we see on American Idol. Those last two shows were stunning in their presentation. The camera work was tremendous - little details like cameras catching the reflection of the judges in the lenses of the performer’s sunglasses, or the narrow depth of field shots where the singer is in focus but you can see their ‘mentor’ out of focus in the background. Everything is just done to a very high level of quality. The lighting work in particular has been just beautiful. And finally, the audio on a music show is actually good.

In contrast, American Idol tends to rely on a swirling camera shot or two, and then long shots of the stage and a bit of steadycam work, all done very unimaginatively. Their idea of a big change-up is to have a contestant sit on the edge of the stage or walk down into the crowd to be surrounded by screaming girls. It’s all very much by-the-numbers.

3. The Band Paul Mirkovitch is a great musical leader - he comes out of the rock side of music, instead of jazzy big band production numbers like Ricky Minor. His band is made up of musicians who actually tour with great artists and who are all well-respected session players. And most of them have been playing together for a long time, and they’re tight as a drum.

4. The Contestants. Because these contestants are hand-picked by music pros and then chosen by music pros, and then the music pros get ‘saves’ to prevent the best ones from being kicked off by 12 year old voters, we generally saw the best of the bunch make it to the end. None of this nonsense where a great performer gets booted off in favor of some ‘cute’ but talentless milquetoast from the midwest who appeals to grandmas and little girls.

5. The Format. The mentoring, the way the votes were done (put your money where your mouth is - a purchase of a track counts as a vote for the artist, and you can’t vote 8 gazillion times) - all of it made for a better show. The only thing I didn’t like was the boxing round duet competitions. But once they got to the performance shows, it was all great.

All in all, if this show aired against American Idol next year, I’d watch this one in a heartbeat. I liked it a lot.

Carson Daily was a weak link, but who cares? He was a small part of the show. But I wonder how it feels to be the ‘poor man’s Ryan Seacrest’? That’s gotta hurt.

Did anyone notice that Carson Daily said that the next season of The Voice was going to start in winter? Wasn’t this a spring replacement show? It sounds like they’re going to move it up into the big leagues to go against American Idol. X Factor starts in the fall, and I think AI starts in December/January, right?

“That’s why I’m the leader. Cause I can’t follow.” - Jerry Jeff Walker

To add to Sam Stone’s list:

Format: At first the huge number of cut performers seemed drastic, but it worked well as the Voice didn’t drag on for 17 months like a season of Idol feels like.

Songs: Performers are not forced to perform songs in stupid categories. Dia was free to offer her version of a Kanye West song rather than everyone having to perform songs from Gilbert and Sullivan.

Judges: Actually had to make some hard choices, rather than being at the mercy of viewer votes.

Ford: No stupid car commercials by the contestants.

Performers: Actually start with performers who can sing. In this way, I liked ‘The Voice’ in the same way I liked ‘The Sing Off’ - people on the show really could sing to start with.

On the other hand, it’s not really clear what the judges are competing other than to have the winner. The news is that all four judges will return. I’d suggest that only the winning (or top two at most) judge(s) be invited back. Adding new judges will keep the show fresh. As entertaining as Cee-Lo was, there are other artists out there who could easily fill that chair.

I dunno; he filled it pretty good. :slight_smile:

I did really like the mentors/coaches (with the exception of Christina - I didn’t hate her, but I wouldn’t mind if they replaced her). I’m picturing Adam and Blake going for a beer together. Now they’ve had a couple - maybe one too many. Shirts are falling off, hands all over…excuse me. Seem to have wandered off track there. :smiley:

Agreed to Sam Stone’s list. My only dislikes:

Host: Carson Daly is blander than a Larry King / Dick Cavett milkshake. Given recent hosts on other shows like Cat Deely, Brooke Burke, Mario Lopez, Seacrest…hell, let’s bring Martha Quinn out of retirement.

Stage: The boxing ring duel was silly and gimmicky.

Judges: All 4 judges giving obligatory inputs repeatedly every damn time got exhausting. Streamline the fawning of the judges.

Ex-contestants: I’d liked to have seen a reprise of the voted-off contestants, give them one more chance to shine in a corny ensemble number or two.

I seem to be the only one, but I liked the duel rounds. I liked the direct comparison.

Carson Dale talked about casting for the new season, any words or guesses if the same judges return or if it will be a different group.

Part of this is driven by the investment the coaches make in this format. They are coaches, not just judges. The Idol format, the goal is to critique and select. This program is also about developing and shaping.

Yes, that would have lost my interest quick. I don’t want a manufactured drama fest. Shape and develop your picks, not destroying someone else’s.

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Does Ricky Minor do Idol? (Wouldn’t know, never watched it.) I know he’s now doing The Tonight Show.

Yes, definite plus. About the one curveball I saw was Blake picking Xenia, and his stated reason being that he thought he could shape her better than the other two. That seems just goofy to me. The idea was to pick the best performer, not the one who needs the most work.

This show doesn’t take nearly as long to spin up as a drama, and runs half a regular season to completion, so it seems fair to run two “seasons” per year.

Because the eliminations are essentially exponential, it takes a fairly large pool to weed out by pairs each week.

Absolutley right! Let the performers do songs in the style they would perform. Don’t force them to try odd styles just to “shake things up” or whatever. It’s about putting each contestant on their own best footing. Now there’s some room for finagling in the duel rounds, where two competitors have to be put on somewhat equal footing, but otherwise help that artist do his/her best.

Yeah, they compete for picking teams in the first couple shows. After that, they compete by weeding down their own teams to the best artist in their collection, to go up against the best artist from each other coach. So there’s less coach-to-coach competition than they make it seem.

Boxing ring styling aside (and the stage decoration doesn’t matter much to me on that), I really like the head-to-head performances. Those gave some of the tightest and hardest choices of the competition. Both competitors singing the same song, going back and forth so you can really compare the differences (like you might do with two separate tracks), that really makes them work for it.

Yeah, even the judges seemed to be running out of things to say. By the final results show, it was “Oh my god, I have to say something again?”

I would have preferred that over Pit bull and NeYo, and whoever the other one was. I fastforwarded through both of those. Made the results show go faster, though.

What I could really do without is all the “dramatic” pauses for “tension”. It’s just annoying. After waiting all hour to hear the results, “And the winner is… [goes off, makes a sandwich, comes back]… Javier.” Come on.

And then hugs all around and cut to black. That was a little abrupt and anti-climactic.

I felt sad after both of Vicci’s performances. Ceelo did not even care to applaud her. And what was up after their duet ended. A hug would have been nice or giving her a smile. He is all about himself. She deserved better.