And apparently, all the gasoline in the world because they can afford to waste it to start zombie pyres.
They wouldn’t be using gasoline to start the fires. It’d be either diesel or kerosene. Diesel would have value for some vehicles, but the kerosene would have more limited use beyond fire-starting, unless they pick up some some offroad vehicles and K-1 generators.
Nah, those old farm houses are built to handle the Georgia heat: high ceilings, good ventilation. Suburban condos are built for air conditioners.
I saw the scene in another light, that Hershel realized what a fool he’d been, and the two strangers only proved what a hostile world it’s become.
When Dale confronted Hershel about what he “found” in the barn, Hershal called Rick a “man of conscience.”
So he already knew Rick was a good man. It’s mostly Shane he’d been leery about, and now for good reason. But really, he should be thanking Shane, despite his rage and assholery. It brought Hershel around to accept the truth, and the quick draw with the two strangers proved Rick is on his side, a protector, and respects him.
And agreed that Dale has enough reason to peg Shane for killing Otis. As said, the confrontation in the woods was an unspoken admission. Certainly not evidence, but Dale’s convinced. So I guess it made sense that he spoke up about his suspicions. The only thing that probably jarred viewers was Dale guessing almost the exact reason Dale shot him. Granted, it’s an easy enough guess, but if you haven’t been paying attention (and for most television, a lot of people don’t, and miss small gestures or forget what’s been said between others), then you might think he just intuited that out of thin air.
Lori is dumb.
Scratch that. The writer who spun that as a plot point is dumb…
Lori’s still annoying, though.
That reminds me of an interesting point from another thread. Imagine that instead of the show being about Rick, Shane and their crew, it was about Herschel and his family. Imagine that Hershel’s crew are the protagonists. Imagine that, from the beginning we (the viewers) were led to believe that there IS going to be a cure and that it’s just a matter of keeping the zombies under control until the CDC releases the drug. Imagine that our sole purpose is keeping our family (both alive and not so alive) safe. Imagine that suddenly this RV showed up and asked if they could camp out for a few days and suddenly they’re playing with their guns, fucking your daughter, riding your horses into the forest, getting themselves hurt, putting the members of your family in harm’s way and killing your kin…both the living and not so living. And when you ask them nicely to leave, they refuse. Sure, from our POV we’ve reasoned with them, but from Hershel’s POV, he’s asked them a handful of times to take off and they’re still there. Still fucking his daughter, still killing his wife, still teaching his kid to shoot, still driving him to drink.
Yep, and at least it’s in character too. The part when he’s explaining his actions to Maggie about telling everyone about the barn, he says “I suck at lying! I can’t even play poker because it’s too much like lying!” 
And from the minute those guys walked into the bar, like they owned the joint, it was a poker game. Glenn may have had a full house, but his poker face is worth shit.
Also, Glenn’s one of my favorite characters. He’s not just comic relief, but daring, conscientious, and sharp. He’s not a tough guy like Daryl, Shane or Rick, but still a very valuable member of the group (He went down that well with the trapped zombie like it was a game of Portal and he did save Rick’s ass in the tank in season 1).
For a while, I believe he felt mostly obligation and a bit of compassion, seeing as how Otis shot their son.
Then, he laid down an ultimatum, which they resisted, and Maggie, who he listens to, pretty much kept him from kicking them out with a shotgun. OTOH, Hershel is a good man, trying to do the “christian” thing, but also a doctor, whose weakness is the hurt and vulnerable. Hence the zombies in the barn, and ultimately letting them stay.
Now that his [del]skeletons in the closet[/del] [del]cat in the bag[/del] zombies in the barn are out, I’ll bet he invites them to stay. Except for maybe Shane.
I don’t disagree at all about your first point, and I think that even if from Hershel’s perspective it’s all good, Rick should still consider that their behavior has been predatory. I repeat… Hershel keeps asking them to leave, and they keep not leaving. Rick may pay lip service to them being “guests”, and he may even really believe he means it, but at no point has Hershel *actually *been in charge around there since they showed up. When a person with a gun in his hand comes into your home and says “You can’t put us out, the world is different now.” they’re not just talking about out there.
Yeah. As soon as Rick realized those two were bad news, I knew Glenn would blow it, and through no fault of his own. Not because of poor writing; because of good character development - he’s been developed enough that we know his foibles. When we were given the over the shoulder POV from the seated baddie, I was watching Glenn. As soon as the guy said farm, I was watching to see what Glenn did. Had they had him say something, it would’ve been contrived. But that simple glance was just right.
Of the survivors we’re following, Dale, Darryl, and Glenn are the only ones I give a fig about.
I’m inclined to believe it. At that point in the conversation, the thing guy was trying to build rapport - why take a chance on a lie? Even the best liars flash a tell sometimes - and for all this guy knows, Rick’s group may have run across someone else from Ft. Benning, or heard a broadcast, or something. If the lie had a big payoff, it could be worth chancing - but there doesn’t seem a point to it.
Sharing truthful information, though, is a fine way to build rapport, try and establish that you’re a good guy.
One point that hasn’t been brought up about the farm being safe is that it’s isolated. While we’ve seen the roving packs of zombies, in general they stick to where one area. So the more populated areas pre-outbreak will have the most zombie. Cities are the worst place to be, and suburbs aren’t too great either. The more rural you go, the better.
Antarctica? No zombies.
Yes, after what we saw in Atlanta, downtown Manhattan is definitely a smarter place to go than rural Georgia. Good call.
And aside from the zombie population, there is the small matter of having access to food, a clean water-supply, and energy/combustibles/wood.
Actually, the Nebraska idea sounds pretty smart.
…bbrrrrrraaaAAAAAAAaaaaaakesssssss…
But then how would you flip your car over, huh?
Actually, the thing that jarred me was that it seemed like it must have been 20 feet after she hit him that she swerved. Assuming this is to get her to miscarry, I’m surprised she didn’t swerve and avoid the pedestrian, this way Rick and Shane can give her shit for not just slamming into him…which makes me think it’s going to turn out to not be a walker. Even if it isn’t one of our guys (could be part of the Jersey bunch that just showed up) she’ll now have killed her baby and him (more internal turmoil for her) and this group will have killed three of the Jersey people. If there’s a handful more of them and they figure it out, they’re not going to be happy that three of their guys are dead AND the people that killed them have a nice safe place to live while they’re living out of their cars…they might try to reverse that situation. I wonder if that’s going to be the plot for the second half. Our guys VS the Jersey guys VS the walkers with a couple of breaks where it’s our guys and the Jersey guys vs the walkers…but then right back to us vs them.
As soon as the two guys entered the bar I wondered if the guy Lori hit was part of their group.
I’m guessing the other group will find the barn on their own which means Herschel and his family will need Rick and his group to fend them off.
And Pacific Playland, from what I’ve heard…
They’ve gotten really blaise about handling zombie remains and exposing their skin to it. Very dangerous if zombie flesh can harbour whatever’s causing reanimation. Of course we’ve also seen no evidence that that’s the case; Hell Dale uses the same arrows on walkers as he does on deer and I don’t recall him cleaning them. On the other hand everyone was extremely concerned about that fat zombe fowling the drinking well.
Speaking of walkers devouring people; doesn’t the flest they eat just site there rotting in their stomachs? It’s Georgia in the summer; shouldn’t we be seeing alot of zombies with disended or burst open stomachs? Or do zombies shit undigested rotting flesh?
The lack of in-car reanimations does suggest that it’s not airborne and only bite victims reanimate. On the other hand they could’ve reanimated in their cars; only to bake to (re)death in the George heat. A zombie would not have the dexterity of insite to unbucke it’s seat belts or open a car door. Or they could’ve just died without having been infected by the airborne virus.
I’m betting Herschel has alot of kerosene lamps in that house.
Intersting point. If it’s summer in Georgia it’s winter in Antarctica. The bases are all either closed or have skeleton staffs wintering over. They’d all be prepared for a few months of no supplies coming in from the outside world, but they’d still be able to watch the world go to shit on TV. Also nobody’s coming in the spring. The bases can’t operate indefinatly without resupply and it’s not like they can go plant crops outside or cut down trees for firewood.
I wonder how really isolated places like the Falkland Islands or South Georgia islands are doing. Or places in the Northern Hemisphere like the Faroes or Iceland. Or even Hawaii. We know sombebody in the (former?) United States is conducting helicopter flyovers. Alot of the Navy should still be at sea. I wonder if the writers will steal some plot points from WWZ have reveal that the federal government evacuated to Hawaii or that there is some civilized zone operating, but have our heros stuck in a swath of the country that’s been abandoned.