Did anyone ask Daryl if it was okay if Carl kept his gun? 
I can’t say that I scrutinize a zombie pulp horror show to the same extent that I scrutinize, say, Breaking Bad. Come on, it’s a pretty ridiculous show in more ways than one, and tiny episodes of bad writing are hardly its worst faults. It’s like denouncing dialogue balloons in a comic book for inappropriate use of semicolons. There are a lot of hallmarks of sloppy writing in this show, and this might very well be one of them, but the point is that it isn’t actually a plot hole. It doesn’t create any logical inconsistencies or deus ex machinas within the logic of the show itself. It just has skipped some scenes. What’s bizarre about it is the insistence that this little shortcut, of all the sloppy crap in the show, is what should take a viewer out of it.
Hell, this almost looks like an insult.
Bad Bryan! Bad!
It really is. I forget about books I’ve read, too, and reading them over again is almost like the first time. 
Not that I noticed, and Daryl has noticed that his gun is gone. It’s one thing for Rick to give Carl a gun, but he can’t just give him Daryl’s gun - that’s not his to give.
At the risk of starting another gun discussion, Rick put his gun on the ground when he was talking with Shane, and Shane dropped his gun when he died, and now Rick and Carl will be running from the Zombie Horde (I prefer Horde to Shamble - they look more Horde-y at this point) - did anyone see Rick pick up either of those guns?
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Hell, I envy the folks who don’t flinch at this. For them the universe of potentially fullfilling fiction is almost infinite.
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Or, it’s a show about insentient reanimated corpses of no apparent cause eating people (and other animals when possible, but mostly people) and thus we’ve accepted there are probably leaps of faith to be taken and improbabilities to be found and that, even if done better than any project ever undertaken about reanimated bloodthirsty insentient corpses and even if analyzed at great depth the amount of insight into being it has to yield would likely be limited and thus it is best treated as light entertainment. (Admittedly rural Georgia itself has often seen a reappearance of mobs of recently dead people, but usually it’s only on names of registered voters.)
Unlike the soon to be released ABRAHAM LINCOLN: VAMPIRE HUNTER which I am told will give a deeper understanding of string theory, the underpinnings of morality, and the Constitution if viewed consecutively several times over a three day period.
No, but they haven’t started running yet, either (actually, I don’t know that they’ve even seen the approaching shamble (they don’t appear to be close enough together to be a hoard)). Rick will probably notice them when he goes to get his and Shane’s guns (although Carl is facing the right way, so may have noticed them already).
At any rate, the zombies are far enough away that Rick has plenty of time to pick up the guns (even if they don’t show it on camera 
- although in this case, I can’t imagine that we’re going to cut to Carl and Rick in the house saying “The walkers are coming, the walkers are coming!”).
Do you need to have Pink Floyd playing while you watch?
Since I read most of them in the book store, that could well be the case.
Honestly, I so like the concept, as well as the look and feel of the show,and was so impressed by the first season that I did want to view this the same way as Breaking Bad. When I started watching, I hadn’t yet started the comics and was under the impression that the comics were more than pulp. I agree that they are not–the cheese fries analogy was spot on.
It’s not meant to be. I do wish I wasn’t bothered by the flaws and, in the caseof this thread, the silly dismissals of the flaws. For example, just because it’s a zombie story (i.e., premised on obvious fantasy) doesn’t mean it has to be badly written. Asking for internally consistent, gap-free writing is not the same as asking for a scientifically accurate explanation of the nature of zombism, whether it’s a virus, whether/how it’s transmitted, etc. The former is to be expected of good wrriting regardles of the genre. The latter fails to adequately suspend disbelief. It bugs me when people conflate the two.
I can still dream
What seems odd is that you are thrown off by the least of the show’s faults. There are other aspects of the show that are much worse in terms of writing than the two gun episodes.
But this is the point, these two gun episodes are not inconsistent with the internal logic of the show.
I’m not conflating the two. I’m saying that the show is badly written (and badly acted as well). But the two gun episodes are not logically inconsistent with the events of the show as they transpired. They don’t require any leaps of logic or extensive fanwanking. They’re basically minor aspects of the events involved. You are extremely upset about the fact that they haven’t showed Carl retrieving the gun, but the point is that there’s nothing within the four corners of the show that make it so unlikely that it demands an explanation.
It occurs to me that we’re using two different, though not mutually exclusive, defitnions of the term “plot hole.” You’re using the term to mean a logical inconsistency, which is one accepted meaning. I am using it to mean an omission of relevant information regarding the plot, another accepted meaning. Under this second defintion, these are both plot holes because we have to assume infromation that I contend we should be provided with. There should be no question as to how Dale and Darryl knew Otis had Rick’s gun. There should also be no need to speculate as to how Carl possessed a gun in one scene that he appeared to lose in aprevious scene.
I am not extremely upset, I promise. And the Carl gun drop is not as problematic as the Darryl/Dale-Shane reveal.
Rick did not put his gun on the ground. He was holding it out to Shane (as a distraction) and as Shane put his hand on it Rick pulled a knife and stabbed him. As Shane dies, the scene goes completely dark and silent for several seconds before showing Rick standing over Shane’s body again. It is unclear how much time has passed, but it could represent a few minutes during which Rick could have holstered his own gun and also retrieved Shane’s.
Sure there are many faults I have not focused on: centering six episodes on the search for a character we aren’t invested in; having epsiodes revolve around a new character with no character development at all; cringe-worthy speeches. But none of these can be explained. They is what they is. As I have continually stated, when I started posting, I was hoping to be told, “be cool, it’s all there.” The only person who’s attempted to show that there are not plot holes (second definition) was Ellis, and he was just wrong. I haven’t seen anyone pop up and endorse his gun-ban theory.
see, this kind of shit I have no problem with
But that’s no different than saying that there was enough time for Carl to sneak out of the house and retrieve the gun, or that there had been sufficient time for someone to talk to somebody about Otis’s gun. The point is that all these things are equally plausible.
You’re hung up on logical consistency. It’s not a matter of plausibility. It’s a matter what should be explained and what can be left to assumption. There’s plenty that doesn’t need to be explained, but a how a murder is solved isn’t in that category. Anyway, this conversation has gotten tired and is no doubt boring to anyone else sadistic enough to continue reading my posts.
I wonder if they will consider making a movie out of this series.
Would be cool to see a studio put a big budget behind this. Maybe a prequel. A look at the fall.
Don’t forget the two things we’ve established about the zombies:
They are only as fast as slightly slower than the person they are chasing. And, they are functionally invisible until the moment of greatest dramatic impact.
So I expect that even in the middle of a big field (the fact that it is dark is irrelevant as the other guys were tracking people in the woods in the middle of the night so obviously the survivors all have cat vision to go with super healing) they will not see the zombies until one of them launches at Rick knocking him to the ground. They’ll then struggle and in the 15 seconds of that no other zombie will reach them from 8 feet away. Then they’ll get up and run and never be more than four feet ahead of them even though they were able to keep up with, but of course not quite catch, a faster Rick when he was running without a 10 year old boy in tow.
If this thread has demonstrated anything, its that zombies and stories told about them operate on a different level of physics, logic and reality than the rest of us in the real world.