Yeah, I figured the suicide king referred to either Rick or the Governor (or both), as it’s an image of a leader who at first appears to be wielding a sword, but on closer examination may be sticking it in his own head. Seems apt for both of them. (I never noticed the wonky sleeve - that’s an interesting take!)
At this point, I’m really wishing they had established Michonne as being on the autism spectrum early on. It could actually be a very interesting exploration of the challenges and advantages (they could show how she fixated on swords and swordplay early in life and thus has those amazing skills) of a condition a growing number of people have, and it would provide great metaphors about communication, cooperation, and how much humans would need to discard niceties in favor of total practicality.
But no. She just fights like a badass and scowls wordlessly at people.
No, sorry if that was misleading. I’m just imagining my own scenario that would fit with her ridiculous level of reticence and be more dramatically satisfying.
ETA: from my limited understanding, lots of people on the autism spectrum are able to speak and interact with others, but may have trouble in unfamiliar situations or with new people, or with intuiting what are generally considered universal social cues. So if we run with my pretend backstory, perhaps she spent enough time with Andrea to warm up to her and feel comfortable speaking, but in high stress situations like dealing with Ricktator KooKooBananas, she clams up.
It’s weird - I’ve heard Michonne is a huge fan favorite among comic readers. I wonder what she’s actually like in the books?
What’s even more amazing to me is that The Talking Dead got well over 4 million viewers. In other words, a one hour talk show in which the sole subject of conversation is the preceding one hour show received almost as many viewers as the recent finale of 30 Rock.
I’m still not totally getting the Suicide King thing, but I’ll grant them that it’s possibly alluding to future events that were set in motion here. I’ll reserve final judgement and settlement of this confusion for after the season finale.
In other news, the sneak peak on AMC has me chomping at the bit to discuss next week.
She did question him a little. I suppose she could give him the same pass they all (except Shane) gave to Hershel’s barn, clinging to the idea that some humantiy was left in walkers. So the Governor’s zombie daughter in the closet could be seen as sort of understandable.
He did explictly say that he kept the aquarium heads to remind himself what the world had become. With his rant this episode about how soft the townspeople are, that could actually strengthen his case about the aquarium heads.
Both explanations are pretty weak, but probably sufficient to rationalize away problems with the guy you’re banging.
Agreed 100%. That would be so much better.
I don’t see a huge disconnect there. The reason mob rule is so frightening is because well-reasoned rational people can quickly devolve into a bloodthirsty mob.
Steven Yeun (who plays Glenn) talked about this on Talking Dead. He said he did a lot of research, and found that spouses of abuse victims often take on the role of abuser. Not that they pick up where the assailant left off, but more just not being very nice to them. He didn’t really explain it; just that that’s what he found in his research.
I see the way they portray it as pretty believable though, even ignoring what the actor said. At this point, Glenn is probably feeling immense impotent rage, plus probably some unmerited shame, every time he sees Maggie, knowing what she went through and that he was powerless to stop it.
This next bit is probably reading too much into minutia, but I’d also guess he has issues with him not breaking even when the gun was pointed at Maggie’s head. It was Maggie who caved when the gun was pointed at Glenn. Glenn could be full of self-hatred for not saving his love or resentful of Maggie for being weak and caving.
In any case, I find it fully believable that they aren’t all puppies and rainbows after that kind of trauma. That kind of nightmare could easily tear a relationship apart.
I see the son as the most logical choice for Beth. How much would it suck to be in a love triangle with Carl? Dude shot his own mother in the head; what’s he going to do to some stranger sniffing around his girl?
In the 18-49 demo, the Walking Dead is the highest-rated scripted drama on television. Including the networks.
Supposedly the suicide king represents Charlemagne, Charles VI, or Charles VII. I can’t get a definitive read on which. Playing cards themselves were popularized during the reign of Charles VI.
In any case, it seems that the four kings are modeled on four actual kings:
Diamonds: Julius Caeser (rich)
Clubs: Alexander the Great (brutal)
Spades: King David (fair)
Hearts: Charles VI (beloved, but eventually insane so the “suicide” part was added to the picture later)
And I’d have to be taping it for all posterity. I think Carol has turned into a bit of a badass (and is incredibly attractive) and Daryl is hawt, hawt, HAWT. Yum. They can’t get it on fast enough for me.
Refresh my memory, but wasn’t Maggie explicitly not raped? The worst that happened to her that we know of is that she had to take her shirt off. Yeah, skeevy, but compared to Glenn getting his fucking face beat in repeatedly and making him fight for his life against a zombie while chained up, big fucking deal. I see people in these threads talking about poor maggie this and that, and I think someone in the show echoed that, but I’m pretty sure I’d take “letting someone see you half naked” over “getting beaten half to death and left for dead against a zombie”
It seemed pretty clear to me that the Governor stopped short of actual rape, yah. But I don’t think it was ever made clear to Glenn. Unless she mentioned to him that nothing happened and I just don’t remember it. Even so, I’m not sure if he believed her. I’m not sure what’s going on with him right now, tbh.
In the end, the Governor didn’t actually rape her, but he definitely threatened it and came very close, which would still be a traumatic event.
In Made To Suffer Glenn asks Maggie, “Did he-” to which Maggie responds, “No, I swear.” But like AngelSoft said, he might not believe that. Even if he did, there’s still a lot of other guilt stuff going on.
I got this immediately by watching the episode. Maybe not so much “blame” her for what happened, but at the very least there is awkwardness about what happened.
Being assaulted (possibly raped) is bound to impact their relationship, and not in a good way.
I also think this is yet another example of the sloppy writing the show is so often guilty of. Was she raped? I wouldn’t be surprised for that to be mentioned in a follow up episode matter of fact as if the audience knows. But at this point it’s unclear.
Similarly, it came out in this episode that Michone hadn’t told the group about her past with Andrea. Viewers were left wondering if that was withheld, left unsaid and off camera or what was going on.
The idea of stashing away a zombified loved one in case a cure was ever developed is perfectly reasonable, to my mind. Treating the loved one as though they were zombified, much less so.
Yeah, I could buy that explanation too, were I in Andrea’s place.
Agreed, but it’s the switching back and forth that I don’t buy. Mobs are formed to do something in times of extreme emotion, they don’t get back to barbecue and picnics the next morning.
I think “impotent rage” covers it nicely. Glenn was the same guy that cowered during the gunfight in season 2, he’s become a much stronger warrior/man, but was still unable to protect Maggie or to get revenge on their behalf. He may decide to kill someone to vent his rage; Merle if he can be found, or someone else from Woodbury. In the meantime, it is believable for the relationship to be strained.
No it’s not. It’s very clear. The Governer acted like he was going to rape her (whether he *would *have or not, or was just pretending in order to scare her, is another discussion) but he very obviously stopped before anything happened. All that happened to Maggie is that she was half naked and threatened with rape.
And then when Glen asked Maggie is she was raped she said no.
If you think that’s unclear then you missed something.
I think Carol has turned into a bit of a badass (and is incredibly attractive) and Daryl is hawt, hawt, HAWT. Yum. They can’t get it on fast enough for me.