The war on The War On the war on Christmas

Here’s may latest rant on my favorite Culture War issue:

It’s War on Christmas season again. Every year the season that is supposed to be a celebration of good will gets caught in the crossfire between those who complain that, “they’re taking the Christ out of Christmas” and those who complain that Christianity is being rammed down their throats. Some folks feel they need to express defiance towards the trend to generically refer to “The Holidays”, declaring, “we say Merry Christmas” (rather than “Merry Christmas”), while others feel they musn’t so much as put up a string of colored lights, lest they’ll have succumbed to the pressure to observe someone else’s religion.

But all this divisiveness is totally unnecessary. We’re not talking about one single thing, one holiday, but a diversity of different seasonal traditions, the observance of which are spread out over the course of a month or more. Some are specific to certain religious faiths, and some secular—or secularized—and thus appropriate for everyone.

By now most of us know—or should know—that most of the familiar December holiday customs derive from pre-Christian pagan traditions. Gift giving, outdoor lights, the colors red and green, decorating with evergreens, family feasts, and the Dec. 25th date itself , they all come from ancient winter solstice celebrations, specifically Roman Saturnalia and Norse Yuletide.

Although the 17th century New England Puritans understood the pagan origins well enough to ban observance of the holiday, by now it should be understood that no reference to pagan religions are intended and these customs are purely secular. But centuries earlier the popularity of the holiday traditions was such that the medieval Church adopted a can-lick-em-so-join-em policy. December 25th was re-purposed as the occasion for the “Christ Mass”—the observance of the birth of Jesus, even though he was probably born in the late spring. All that revelry was rationalized as understandable excitement at the prospect of attending that particular church service.

There has always been an element of solemnity in the season of the “rebirth of the Sun”, so it’s inevitable that Christian culture would redirect the meaning as one focused on Christ. But in a multi-cultural society, the solemn or religious meaning can be understood in different ways by different groups, each in turn being “plugged in” to the broader set of, secular seasonal observances that are appropriate for everyone. After all, if the promotion of “peace on Earth and good will towards all” is to be a central theme of the Holiday season, then it can hardly be regarded as strictly for Christians only.

I’ll rant back: what friggin’ “war on Christmas”? Celebrate your holiday however you dang well please just don’t try to drag me into it. It is craziness to believe that my choosing not to participate in what I see as something that at least should be of some religious and spiritual significance is a personal insult to those who do celebrate it. Not celebrating Christmas is made out to be un-American. And the fact that some people have decided that assuming that everyone celebrates Christmas is a bit presumptuous in a multicultural society and have decided to come up with more neutral “Holiday Greetings” is hardly an attack on the holiday or on the Christian majority.

Bah. And keep the damn humbug too!

I think you hit on something there. Most of those who rant about the ‘Christless Christmas’ aren’t interested in, and often actively oppose, a multicultural society. They want uniformity, sameness and a world in lock-step. Frankly, those people can shove it up their collective arses

Along with the christmas tree.

Anyone who thinks that there is a “War on Christmas” and that it’s anti-Christian is delusional. The late December celebration began as a pagan celebration of the winter solstice, and the Catholic church wanted to co-opt it, so they called it “Christmas” and made up the story that December 25th was the date that Jesus was born. In fact, no one really knows the exact date of Jesus’ birth, and really, to true Christians, it’s not all that important.

Christmas is about spending money.

Or they are speaking to their own people and others outside of that band pick up on the broadcast. Generally when Evangelicals say things like this it is for the consumption of other Evangelicals. The idea that consumerism overtakes the solemnity of the occasion is a real issue for some people.

Others just have a prurient interest in perpetrating their own S.A.D. against others, whether they are religious or not. It’s just an excuse to be mean to others for no particular reason.

There is no war against Christmas, that’s just an overhyped bit of nonsense meant to make us believe that it’s a bigger deal than it actually is. To turn everything into a controversy to generate ratings from the culture war in the 24 hour news cycle.

It’s always seemed to me that the “War on Christmas” is mostly being waged by the very folks who complain most vocally about it. The Joneses have three Christmas trees set up in their house, so we’d better darned well have four, and who should we have cater our Christmas party, and I absolutely must be at the mall by 3:30 AM on Black Friday so my darling baby can have all of the toys he wants, and we’re not sending Aunt Mytle a card, because her gift last year was so tacky, and how DARE you tell me “Happy Holidays”?

Meanwhile, the folks volunteering at the Salvation Army soup kitchen don’t give a damn what you call it.

Not to besmirch those good volunteers, but it is called the Salvation Army.

I find it amusing that O’Reilly admitted last year or the year before that there was no “war on Christmas” and I have seen no mention of any “war on Christmas” this year–until this thread.

You folks appear to be fighting a war you’ve already won. Wahassa matter? You afraid you won’t have any fights this year?

Did he really do that? Dang, I missed reading that. Would’ve been cool.

LOL :stuck_out_tongue:

No worries, as long as there’s more than two persons at the holiday table who want a turkey drumstick, we’ll have fights.

Mother Jones claims the first shots this year have been fired. It covers BOTH the religious and economic holiday Christmas in one.

FWIW YMMV.

Eh, I am tired of uptight bigots from both sides getting so much press fuck 'em both.

Happy Holidays to you intolerant Christians, and Merry Christmas to you damned atheists.

I agree. I have not seen any War on Christmas-themed news stories this year and I have not even seen anybody Pitting Hannity, O’Reilly, or anybody else about using any of that rhetoric. It’s a moronic idea but so far, it looks like a lot of people finally got over that crap this year.

I blame Obama.

That actually may be true- these people may just be exhausted from hating on Obama all year. But I guess it’s more likely that they’re more worried about the economy, and having the money to buy presents, than about what the cashier says after they make their purchases.

I think a lot of that madness came out as a result of the Bush administration. The Bush administration gave Fundaresentalists the license to push out every little pique and grudge against liberals that they harbored in their mean little hearts. So they pushed complete nonsense like that. They no longer feel like they have such a license so they don’t do it, such is the power of democracy. When we vote for President we aren’t just voting for a man, but we are voting for the mood of the entire nation.

seasons greetings asshats

Just a note for people too lazy to click the link, the quoted text is from the editorial section of the Wall Street Journal, not Mother Jones.

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