I already said that “perhaps initially” that is true…
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17792705&postcount=214
Then why are you still arguing with me?
Alright here’s a rational appraisal of the WebMD link:
- It documents nothing other than a single person’s short-term test and provides no worthwhile, medical analysis. It’s mostly just the person’s subjective opinion of the experience. Basically useless.
- It’s not actually WebMD content. It’s a repost from some women’s magazine. Probably, it shouldn’t be on WebMD at all, since it doesn’t actually provide any medical information at all.
- However, it does seem to indicate that a key factor of the Warrior Diet would seem to be the concept of eating once a day. So while this particular source is useless, and it’s probably unlikely that I’ll actually be able to find any scientific analysis of the Warrior Diet specifically, I can research the individual parts, like eating once a day, which almost certainly have been researched.
So, get onto Google Scholar and search for papers that compare what happens depending on the number of meals a person eats in a day, what time they eat them at, etc. and see what you can find.
Or perhaps the bigger question is, does the author of the Warrior Diet seem to have done such research? Does he provide any references? Are those references to peer reviewed papers?
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/feeding-time?page=3
While the title is “Eating Once Per Day” it also says:
“When hungry: Water and fruit (strawberries, pineapple) or carrots, green beans, and red peppers (all raw)” (BTW the book also says you can eat light proteins like eggs, yoghurt, other fruits and vegetables, etc)
also:
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/feeding-time?page=4
“…Eat just one healthy meal a day, in the evening. By undereating during the day…”
Though the title said eating once per day it is actually about eating one large meal a day…
So far as far as I can remember he hasn’t provided references but I think there is an ebook called “Eat Stop Eat” that has heaps of references and it was written by a highly qualified guy. I’ll look into that when I get back home in a couple of days.
About “Eat Stop Eat”:
http://www.eatstopeat.com/
“There are over 240 peer-reviewed published scientific studies in Eat Stop Eat. It is based on incredibly sound PUBLISHED scientific literature (I’m not making anything up). So yes, if you wanted to spend a year or two reviewing research like I did then you could find almost all of this information on-line.”
“…I have an honors degree in nutrition…after university, instead of becoming a dietitian, I started working in the weight loss industry. From managing the R&D department of a very successful sports supplement company to consulting start up companies, manufacturers and top fitness magazines, I have seen the inner working of the industry that only a privileged few have ever seen…Sure, a lot of people like to talk about supplements, but how many have actually helped design some of the most popular products on the market? You can talk all you want, but until you have actually worked on the inside, you really have no idea how the weight loss and supplement industry works…”
I’ve bought it before and I’ll check out his references again…
I first read this maybe a year ago… I think I stuck to the diet for a while then gave up… maybe it was because I was getting to my goal weight - I can’t remember.
I’m sorry, but if you look at that website and don’t think that they’re the shadiest motherfuckers in town, then you really do have a problem with being able to distinguish what is or isn’t a real source. That’s like seeing someone selling the opportunity to be The Emperor of the European Union (only $25!) and thinking to yourself, “Why yes, that would be a wonderful investment of $25 dollars. I’ll accomplish so much as Emperor.”
So again, get onto Google Scholar and start reading studies. Stop being lazy and actually do the research.
Sage Rat:
Yes it looks shady but my point was that he refers to a lot of specific studies. I think it would be more productive for me to look at what studies he refers to rather than me trying to guess the keywords that might have some matches.
You say you’re a programmer. So tell me which of these implementations of a function, which tells you the total sum of all values in an array, is the most useful?
int totalSum(int[] values)
{
throw new Exception("Can't be bothered");
}
int totalSum(int[] values)
{
return 42; // Lie
}
int totalSum(int[] values)
{
int result = 0;
foreach (int val : values)
{
result += val;
}
return result;
}
int totalSum(int[] values)
{
SummationUtil util = new SummationUtil(); // Cool open source math package from MIT!
return util.totalSum(values);
}
If you’re too lazy to put in the work, solution #2 isn’t an upgrade. Finding some liar to lie at you is not more productive than simply giving up. That’s all you’re doing by finding that website.
Either put in the work or find someone reputable. If you have no ability to distinguish between a reputable source and shady sleezebags, then you’re basically screwed and you should just accept that whatever you’re doing is entirely arbitrary and you’re wasting everyone else’s time.
“Either put in the work or find someone reputable.”
There are two ways of “putting in the work”… (well 3 if you have a combination of the two where you do keyword searches which would give a lot of irrelevant results)
$hisRecommendedStudies = array(1002, 3004, 3240, 4005, 6005);
function startWithNoIdea() {
$listOfConfirmedStudies = array();
$count = 0;
for($i = 1; $i < 10000; $i++) {
if (isOK($i)) {
$listOfConfirmedStudies[] = $i;
$count++;
if ($count >= 5) {
return $listOfConfirmedStudies;
}
}
}
return $listOfConfirmedStudies;
}
function startWithPossibleAnswers($possibilities) {
$listOfConfirmedStudies = array();
$count = 0;
foreach($possibilities as $study) {
if (isOK($study)) {
$listOfConfirmedStudies[] = $study;
$count++;
if ($count >= 5) {
return $listOfConfirmedStudies;
}
}
}
return $listOfConfirmedStudies;
}
Yes, and those are the same as my options #3 and #4 relatively.
The method you’re attempting is my #2. You’re looking at a lie and thinking that’s a starting point. Made up, fake information is not a starting point any more than it’s useful to find your way to New York with a map of Middle Earth. A map of Middle Earth provides no actual information, since it’s just fiction.
No “startWithPossibleAnswers” involves doing some processing (double-checking). Your #4 was directly returning util.totalSum without doing any processing on it.
If you look at the code for “startWithPossibleAnswers” you’ll see that if it is in fact a lie it will simply return an empty array - not a lie (like 42).
Since we already know it’s a lie, that’s just wasted processing time. We will still have to find a reputable source, to get a list of real data to analyze. Doing an initial check over fake data, if the source actually even provides such data, just delays the time until we actually get started on a process that is likely to yield useful information.
In order to “know” it’s a “lie” it has to be a true FACT that his “240 peer-reviewed published scientific studies in Eat Stop Eat” are “lies”. It seems your only proof is that he has a shady website. But there are also lots of other websites that take Brad Pilon and his diet seriously.
It is a fallacy that a non-reputable sources NEVER provide any real data. I mean a moron or con-artist might be wrong most of the time but it is possible that sometimes they are right.
It would only a couple minutes to look up several of his references to “peer-reviewed published scientific studies”. That way I’d know for sure if his references are useful or not. But it seems you’d rather just assume you’re right and “know” it is all a “lie” without double-checking even though it would only take me a few minutes - even less time than I’ve been discussing these things with you.
Sage Rat:
BTW how do you “know” that ALL of his references are “lies”? What is your “reputable source”? To “know” something is a “lie” means more than just having a bit of evidence. It involves overwhelming evidence that rules out any possibility that perhaps at least some of his sources provide evidence that an intermittent fasting diet can be good or at least not harmful.
Why prefer a shady website over Google Scholar?
Wow, why does someone have to spend hours wading through hundreds of contradictory and confusing studies on Google scholar before they try out a new diet? No wonder people find it so hard to lose weight. Most will never make it through the mandatory research stage.
If feeling like a warrior helps someone stick to a diet, then here is nothing wrong with that. Regardless of what Ancient Greeks did or didn’t eat (I don’t know if Greeks were primarily hunters; seems unlikely to me), this is far from the unhealthiest diet I’ve seen. There is a focus on fresh vegetables and lean protein, and a strategy for reducing calorie intake beyond just ‘willpower’ (it wouldn’t work for me, but some people do prefer to eat like this). I understand people get frustrated with John Clay but to try and dissuade someone from improving their health seems unnecessarily vindictive.
The posts in his toy gun thread are even worse, its cool to hate on JC.
I recommended seeking out a reputable source. JC said that he wants to find a list of studies to personally verify. So again, I am recommending seeking out a reputable list. He does not have to look through studies, and I agree that it’s a waste of time to do so.
I’d use Google Scholar to double check his references!