I’m close to someone who doesn’t consistently want to do any of those things. She wants to lose weight though so I’m trying to see how I could help her. The doctor said she can see a dietitian for free if she tries walking 3 times a week first…
You just posted nine times in a row, John. I know that you don’t have the slightest interest in listening to anyone else, but have you now completely forgotten that other people exist?
Six of those posts were replies to other people - and I was “listening” to them… I even started a new thread based on what scootergirl was saying…
Get. A. Blog.
So, you’re saying that you only posted THREE times in a row while talking only to yourself.
That’s OK then. Totally reasonable. :rolleyes:
Well I was introducing yet another diet and also I was mentioning that my doctor said to just eat healthy and exercise…
Yeah, this.
Start a blog and get permission to post it here.
I think a lot of people would follow you.
SO WHAT?? What does this have to do with anything??
This thread was started by me about the Warrior Diet. Then for a while I was reading the Renegade Diet ebook - though it is based on the Warrior Diet. The Gabriel Method has also things in common with those two diets - it also promotes eating organic foods, etc. But unlike any diet I know of it has some extra concepts…
e.g. visualizing your ideal body and that people’s bodies “want to be fat” and this causes them to hate exercise, etc.
Like the other diets it also has some before and after photos:
http://www.thegabrielmethod.com/about-jon-gabriel
So according to the thread’s creator (me) I think it is quite relevant to this thread.
“…also I was mentioning that my doctor said to just eat healthy and exercise…”
Well you were the one who repeated over and over again about just eating healthy and exercising (and having good portion sizes). I thought you might have been interested that the doctor that I trust confirmed this.
Raw salmon:
Lately I’ve been buying quite big sushi rolls for $3. Anyway I started getting raw salmon ones. Based on some books/ebooks I think that the raw ones might be more nutritious. (on the other hand they say that some cooked vegetables can be assimilated better than raw ones - enzymes or something might be damaged during cooking) The chinese restaurant (even though sushi is Japanese I think) said that they won’t sell the raw salmon to me by itself. Then at a supermarket they said that they weren’t sure that their raw salmon was safe to eat but their raw tuna (which wasn’t in stock) is. They also said their smoked uncooked salmon was ok. It was $45/kg so I got $3 worth. It was in very thin layers - about 1 mm thick. I got several large slices.
It gets my recommendation for cheap (if you only have a couple of slices at a time), nutritious (18% protein), low calorie (117 calories/100g) and most of all convenient - I just need to get a piece at a time out of a plastic bag from the fridge. No cutlery or crockery or cooking equipment is needed. It also tastes quite good to me - similar to canned tuna.
So now, you responded to me. Twice. In two separate posts. And then added a third post of you talking to yourself.
GET A BLOG.
Well you should do that. It might not be as exciting and laden in mysticism nor ancient history, but it’s what health and appearance come down to.
Anyways, to get back to the topic of lying…
- Part the First -
Say that there’s a crossroads with North, South, East, and West as the options. There’s a man standing at the intersection and you need him to give you directions. You don’t know it, but the direction that you want to go is East.
If the man is reliable, then if you ask him, he will either tell you East (because that’s the truth) or that he doesn’t know (if he doesn’t know). There is some small chance that he will give you a wrong answer, because he misunderstood your question, had received wrong information himself, or such, but in the whole we can expect that if he does know the answer, it will be the right one.
If the man is unreliable, however, there is no law of lying that says that he will tell us “West” because it is the opposite of “East”. He could just as well tell us North or South. Point in fact, if he knows that he has a reputation as a liar, he might well say “East” - the correct answer - if he thinks that it will convince you to choose a different direction.
What is his motivation for lying to us? Perhaps he has a deal with a gas station, to send them traffic, and in return he’ll get a cutback. If the gas station is West, he’ll send all cars West, regardless of where they wanted to go. If the gas station is East, he’ll send them all East. In this case, he’ll send us the right direction, but purely by happenstance. For 3/4ths of cases, he’ll have sent people the wrong way.
Perhaps he simply doesn’t know the answer, but wants to mess with us. Again, he might tell us “East”, knowing that there’s only a 1 in 4 chance of it being correct. So far as he is concerned, he has sent us on a wild goose chase, but in reality he has actually pointed us in the right direction.
Knowing that someone is unreliable does not allow us to determine what the real answer is. The world is not simple enough that we can simply reverse his answer or apply some other trick. Nor does it tell us that the answer we received was false. Basically, we gain nothing from talking to someone unreliable, since their answer tells us nothing. Worse, it has the potential to confuse the situation, since we don’t like dismissing information even when we know that we should.
- Part the Second -
There is no law saying that a lie has to contain a lie.
We can safely say, for example, that it is unwise to amputate limbs unless some medical emergency truly requires it (gangrene, mashed beyond repair, etc.) Perhaps one day, there will be robotic limbs better than our own and there will be some advantage of upgrading. But today, if you cut off your hand, your quality of life will be diminished.
Say that someone comes to me and says, “I want to chop off my hand. It will make me look more sleek and interesting.” If I am a caring and honest person, I will suggest that he see a psychiatrist. The desire to chop off parts of your body is a mental illness that serves the diseased person no good. Allowing him to chop off one hand just encourages him to do the other hand, a foot, both ears, etc. His illness will gradually continue to make his life harder, with no possible upside.
But say that I am Hannibal Lecter. I find this sort of illness amusing. I’ll charge him a consultancy fee, get my jollies off of winding him up, and then later ask if I can have his hand, to make a nice hand sandwhich. And what I will do to encourage him is to show him all of the medical studies showing that there are “recommended” procedures for performing amputations (recommended over other methods that are more dangerous and harmful - but still itself dangerous, if you don’t think about it). I will show him studies showing that the quality of life for people with specific, single amputations, are very similar to regular people (ignoring that these are very specific cases that are not representative of the majority, and that going through the cost and pain of losing a limb so that you can more-or-less have the same life as you currently do is just a waste of effort and still won’t make you happy, because you have an illness that will always make you unhappy.) I will tell him that there are women with a fetish for men who are missing a limb (ignoring the fact that this is a small small minority and your relationship with them will still fail if you’re not a good match, while you’ll have a disadvantage with the majority of women.) And so on.
By properly selecting and framing “truthful” statements, you can create a lie.
For most things in life, there aren’t “things with a reason to do” and “things with a reason to not do”. Usually, there is a list of pros and cons. If we’re aware of and understand all of the pros and cons, then we can see where the balance lies and choose what to do. But if we all of the cons are hidden from us, then even if all of the pros are small, inconsequential, and unlikely to prove out, it might still seem like we are making a good choice. If we discovered those cons, we’d suddenly (hopefully) realize that it was a stupid choice.
Most importantly, there isn’t always just Hannibal Lecter that’s lying to you. When Hannibal convinces you to chop off your hand, he succeeds because there are two liars in the equation, him and you.
- Part the Third -
The idea of cognitive dissonance is that, when people hear something that would make them unhappy they lie to themselves so that they can be happy again.
For example, you know that I am trying to convince you to do something which will make you unhappy, even though it looks like I’m just writing an essay on lying. So it’s likely that you’re currently thinking to yourself, “Well, maybe that guy really would be happier if he could cut off his own hand. Who are we to decide for him how to live his life?”. And that is true. Maybe he would be happier, and certainly there is an argument to be made that it’s none of our business. But like I said, just because something is true, doesn’t mean that it’s not a lie. On any other day, when you weren’t being challenged by someone, would you be so cavalierly suggest that it’s perfectly acceptable to encourage people to maim themselves? I would hope not. (Not to say that you are doing this, just that it is the sort of result that cognitive dissonance causes.)
But today, you might be lying to yourself, because you want to fast. You’re willing to lie to yourself by discounting good arguments, by emphasizing bad arguments, and doing whatever it takes to make sure that you don’t have to confront the fact that no, fasting is not beneficial, and no, you’re probably wrong about what you want to achieve. If you want to look good and be healthy, you might have to do things that directly conflict with what you think. You might end up looking entirely different than you want to look. The guy who wants to cut his own hand off has to accept that he’s wrong. His view of “good” is actually bad. His body doesn’t need to change, his mind does. In your case, potentially you’re already really good looking and you should just continue to live normally. I really don’t know.
I blame the board’s rules that you can’t edit a post that is older than five minutes…
I was talking to the readers of this thread.
I LOVE sushi, shit has to be one of my favorite foods. And while the rice adds some carbs it is high in protein and fairly healthy, just make sure you stay away from the California type rolls with stuff like cream cheese in them.
So now, you responded to me. Twice. In two separate posts.
No today I don’t want to fast. Though Eat Stop Eat and the Renegade Diet involve a lot of fasting, the Warrior Diet and the Gabriel Method don’t. Well the Warrior Diet involves “undereating” during the day. The diet I’m actually using at the moment though is trying to minimise calories since it seems that focusing on organic foods doesn’t really have a fat loss benefit.
So it is a “fact” that fasting is never beneficial? I could say a lot about that but what about how they get people to fast before putting them under general anaesthetic? The reason is to stop people from possibly choking on vomit. Though it isn’t fat loss related it is still a benefit. (you didn’t specify what kind of things could be involved with the benefit)
Well a lot of people are saying that I’m starting to get too thin… but my BMI is still in about the middle of the healthy range. For the time being I’m still trying to lose belly fat. I went to a very energetic dance class recently and might go to that every week. Last time I had to go home early because I had trouble breathing (I was hyperventilating I think and had some ventolin). BTW I’m mentioning that because a lot of people are saying I should do exercise.
Cool that would save me $1500…
What about vegans who make sure they never eat any egg or milk or honey when they go out to eat? They might also spend more than an hour a day preparing food. And some people spend many hours a week doing repetitive exercise and weights. What I was doing was reading through some different diet books to see what the easiest effective fat loss method would be. I also posted here to help with this quest and it seems that making sure the food is organic actually doesn’t matter despite what those books say.
Enjoy, it sounds yummy.