To save a bunch of checking back and forth, here’s the pertinent commentary from the other thread:
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Today, 11:20 AM
Zeldar
Guest Join Date: Jun 2003
Not just a whole lot is said about Brother Mouzone, and according to IMDb he’s only in seven episodes, but for my money he’s one of the standout characters in the show.
I’m toying with the idea of a poll to determine the favorite characters in the show. Using IMDb’s record-keeping [Full cast and crew for “The Wire” (2002) ] as a basis, and acknowledging that their list has over 300 actors listed, with at least 100 of them being in at least 10 episodes, how should I select a meaningful slate to put into a poll? How many votes per Doper should I allow?
Just as a frame of reference, here are those with more than 20 episodes’ credit:
Dominic West … Det. James ‘Jimmy’ McNulty / … (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
John Doman … Dep. Comm. for Operations William A. Rawls / … (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
Wendell Pierce … Det. William ‘Bunk’ Moreland (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
Lance Reddick … Lt. Cedric Daniels / … (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
Deirdre Lovejoy … Asst. State’s Atty. Rhonda Pearlman (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
Sonja Sohn … Det. Shakima ‘Kima’ Greggs (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
Seth Gilliam … Sgt. Ellis Carver / … (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
Domenick Lombardozzi … Det. Thomas ‘Herc’ Hauk / … (60 episodes, 2002-2008)
Clarke Peters … Det. Lester Freamon (59 episodes, 2002-2008)
Andre Royo … Bubbles / … (52 episodes, 2002-2008)
Michael K. Williams … Omar Little (51 episodes, 2002-2008)
Jim True-Frost … Det. Roland ‘Prez’ Pryzbylewski / … (50 episodes, 2002-2008)
Frankie Faison … Commissioner Ervin H. Burrell / … (47 episodes, 2002-2008)
Corey Parker Robinson … Det. Leander Sydnor (45 episodes, 2002-2008)
Delaney Williams … Sgt. Jay Landsman (45 episodes, 2002-2008)
J.D. Williams … Preston Broadus (42 episodes, 2002-2006)
Wood Harris … Avon Barksdale (38 episodes, 2002-2008)
Idris Elba … Russell ‘Stringer’ Bell (37 episodes, 2002-2004)
Aidan Gillen … Councilman Thomas ‘Tommy’ Carcetti / … (35 episodes, 2004-2008)
Jamie Hector … Marlo Stanfield (32 episodes, 2004-2008)
Gbenga Akinnagbe … Chris Partlow / … (30 episodes, 2002-2008)
Robert Wisdom … Howard ‘Bunny’ Colvin / … (27 episodes, 2003-2008)
Chad Coleman … Dennis ‘Cutty’ Wise (26 episodes, 2004-2008)
Anwan Glover … Slim Charles (26 episodes, 2004-2008)
Michael Kostroff … Maurice ‘Maury’ Levy (25 episodes, 2002-2008)
Michael Salconi … Off. Michael Santangelo / … (25 episodes, 2002-2008)
Tray Chaney … Malik ‘Poot’ Carr (25 episodes, 2002-2008)
Isiah Whitlock Jr. … State Sen. R. Clayton ‘Clay’ Davis (25 episodes, 2002-2008)
Felicia Pearson … Felicia ‘Snoop’ Pearson (25 episodes, 2004-2008)
Robert F. Chew … Joseph ‘Proposition Joe’ Stewart (24 episodes, 2002-2008)
Michael Ahl … Detective / … (24 episodes, 2003-2008)
Reg E. Cathey … Norman Wilson (23 episodes, 2006-2008)
Jermaine Crawford … Duquan ‘Dukie’ Weems (23 episodes, 2006-2008)
Tristan Wilds … Michael Lee (23 episodes, 2006-2008)
Glynn Turman … Mayor Clarence V. Royce / … (22 episodes, 2004-2008)
Edward T. Norris … Det. Edward Norris / … (22 episodes, 2002-2008)
Amy Ryan … Off. Beatrice ‘Beadie’ Russell (20 episodes, 2003-2008)
And these folks had at least 15 episodes:
Hassan Johnson … Roland ‘Wee-Bey’ Brice (19 episodes, 2002-2008)
Gregory L. Williams … Det. Michael Crutchfield (19 episodes, 2004-2008)
Al Brown … Major Valchek / … (19 episodes, 2002-2008)
Larry Gilliard Jr. … D’Angelo Barksdale (18 episodes, 2002-2003)
Brian Anthony Wilson … Det. Vernon Holley (18 episodes, 2002-2008)
Benjamin Busch … Off. Anthony Colicchio (18 episodes, 2004-2008)
Jay Landsman … Lt. Dennis Mello / … (18 episodes, 2003-2008)
Paul Ben-Victor … Spiros ‘Vondas’ Vondopoulos (17 episodes, 2003-2008)
Maria Broom … Marla Daniels (16 episodes, 2002-2008)
Frederick Strother … State Delegate Odell Watkins (16 episodes, 2004-2008)
Kwame Patterson … ‘Monk’ Metcalf (16 episodes, 2006-2008)
Thuliso Dingwall … Kenard (16 episodes, 2004-2008)
Richard Burton … Sean ‘Shamrock’ McGinty / … (16 episodes, 2003-2004)
Ryan Sands … Off. Lloyd ‘Truck’ Garrick (16 episodes, 2004-2008)
Peter Gerety … Judge Daniel Phelan (15 episodes, 2002-2008)
Melanie Nicholls-King … Cheryl (15 episodes, 2002-2008)
Richard DeAngelis … Col. Raymond Foerster / … (15 episodes, 2002-2006)
Cleo Reginald Pizana … Chief of Staff Coleman Parker / … (15 episodes, 2004-2006)
Brandy Burre … Theresa D’Agostino (15 episodes, 2004-2006)
That’s a lot of people to put into a poll, but I want to be as fair and comprehensive as possible.
Ideas?
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Today, 12:28 PM
woodstockbirdybird
Guest Join Date: Oct 2000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeldar
That’s a lot of people to put into a poll, but I want to be as fair and comprehensive as possible.
Ideas?
You could probably cherry-pick from the 2nd tier - you’ve got to have (IMO) D’Angeo, Wee-Bey and Valchek, but a lot of the others are unnecessary (though Kenard was a perfect little bastard, as well).
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Today, 12:50 PM
Zeldar
Guest Join Date: Jun 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by woodstockbirdybird
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeldar
That’s a lot of people to put into a poll, but I want to be as fair and comprehensive as possible.
Ideas?
You could probably cherry-pick from the 2nd tier - you’ve got to have (IMO) D’Angeo, Wee-Bey and Valchek, but a lot of the others are unnecessary (though Kenard was a perfect little bastard, as well).
Thanks for the idea. I like it. Maybe if we have a few people post 5-10 names from the <15 episodes group, we could cover the less frequently seen, but still important ones.
I’ll start with ten I really liked:
Michael B. Jordan … Wallace (13 episodes, 2002)
Method Man … Melvin ‘Cheese’ Wagstaff / … (13 episodes, 2003-2008)
Pablo Schreiber … Nickolas ‘Nick’ Sobotka / … (13 episodes, 2003-2008)
Chris Bauer … Frank Sobotka (12 episodes, 2003)
Clark Johnson … City Editor Augustus ‘Gus’ Haynes (10 episodes, 2008)
Marlyne Barrett … Council President Nerese Campbell (10 episodes, 2006-2008)
Bill Raymond … The Greek (10 episodes, 2003-2008)
S. Robert Morgan … Butchie (10 episodes, 2003-2008)
Steve Earle … Walon (8 episodes, 2002-2008)
Nathan Corbett … Donut (8 episodes, 2006)
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Today, 02:27 PM
Bob Ducca
Guest Join Date: Jan 2006
From the 15-20 episode group, I’d add:
Paul Ben-Victor … Spiros ‘Vondas’ Vondopoulos (17 episodes, 2003-2008)
Peter Gerety … Judge Daniel Phelan (15 episodes, 2002-2008)
From the under 15 list, I’d add:
Michael Hyatt … Brianna Barksdale (12 episodes, 2002-2006)
*Brianna was the one really pulling the strings with Avon most of the time.
Wendy Grantham … Shardene Innes (11 episodes, 2002-2008)
*Love this character.
David Costabile … Managing Editor Thomas Klebanow (10 episodes, 2008)
*Ok, the character is bland, but I love the actor. He gets bonus points for his great work in “Damages,” “Flight of the Conchords,” and “Breaking Bad.” He’s also “super delicious”.
Michael Potts … Brother Mouzone (7 episodes, 2003-2004)
- From a # of episodes to awesomeness of character ratio, Mouzone has to be tops.
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Today, 05:51 PM
Zeldar
Guest Join Date: Jun 2003
I’ve had another idea on a poll (actually a series of polls) to determine the favorite charcters.
Using the IMDb list I linked to upthread, break down that list into groups based on number of episodes they were in. Keep each group in the 20-30 range (as much as possible) for characters mentioned in a particular sub-poll. Allow five votes per Doper per poll.
After some time has gone by and front runners in each group have been identified, select the top x-number from each poll and put them all in a Final Poll.
My way of thinking is that the bottom portion of that big IMDb list, say those who appeared in fewer than five episodes, could either be disregarded or else Dopers could be asked to pick some number (five let’s say) from those remaining.
Using that logic, the groups might be:
- 30-60 Eps – 21
- 20-29 Eps – 16
- 15-19 Eps – 19
- 11-14 Eps – 28
- 9-10 Eps ---- 25
- 7-8 Eps ----- 27
- 5-6 Eps ----- 32
- Fewer than 5 Eps – The rest
How does this plan sound? What would improve on this basic idea?
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#74 Today, 06:35 PM
Bob Ducca
Guest Join Date: Jan 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeldar
I’ve had another idea on a poll (actually a series of polls) to determine the favorite charcters.
Using the IMDb list I linked to upthread, break down that list into groups based on number of episodes they were in. Keep each group in the 20-30 range (as much as possible) for characters mentioned in a particular sub-poll. Allow five votes per Doper per poll.
After some time has gone by and front runners in each group have been identified, select the top x-number from each poll and put them all in a Final Poll.
My way of thinking is that the bottom portion of that big IMDb list, say those who appeared in fewer than five episodes, could either be disregarded or else Dopers could be asked to pick some number (five let’s say) from those remaining.
Using that logic, the groups might be:
- 30-60 Eps – 21
- 20-29 Eps – 16
- 15-19 Eps – 19
- 11-14 Eps – 28
- 9-10 Eps ---- 25
- 7-8 Eps ----- 27
- 5-6 Eps ----- 32
- Fewer than 5 Eps – The rest
How does this plan sound? What would improve on this basic idea?
I like it, but I was also going to make a polling suggestion… What if the poll was broken up by what “group” the character belongs to. We could have the police, the streets, City Hall, the docks/school/newspaper/whatever (maybe just miscellaneous). Then we could pit the best of each group against one another. We could even break the categories down a bit… Marlo’s group against Barksdale’s for example.
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#75 Today, 07:18 PM
Zeldar
Guest Join Date: Jun 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Ducca
I like it, but I was also going to make a polling suggestion… What if the poll was broken up by what “group” the character belongs to. We could have the police, the streets, City Hall, the docks/school/newspaper/whatever (maybe just miscellaneous). Then we could pit the best of each group against one another. We could even break the categories down a bit… Marlo’s group against Barksdale’s for example.
That sounds fun, too. I’m pretty sure I may not know all the groups thoroughly enough to do those groupings, though. Do you feel comfortable doing such a thing yourself? I feel no special need to “own” the poll(s). I would just like something a bit more involving (and easier to keep count of) than just asking random Dopers to post their own list(s) of favorites. In my own case, when I tried to do such a thing from memory, I quickly realized I was leaving out some important characters. The IMDb list ought to minimize good ones being left out. That’s my main reason for wanting to rely on it (or something at least as comprehensive).
The number of episodes concept just seemed simple enough to manage. Creating polls from the list ought to be a simple copy/paste maneuver once the size of the groups is determined.
Another issue: should the character’s name (as opposed to the actor’s) be how they’re listed in the poll? I doubt if I could name more than a dozen or so actors, but I feel pretty sure I could name 100 or more characters, whether I really liked them or not.
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#76 Today, 07:28 PM
Bob Ducca
Guest Join Date: Jan 2006
Maybe we use the # of episodes (which I think has the most merit) to whittle the list down a bit and when it gets to a more manageable size, depending on who is left standing, we see if splitting the characters up by group makes sense?
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#77 Today, 07:29 PM
AuntiePam
Charter Member Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Near Eagle Creek
Posts: 14,200
I like the idea of grouping the characters.
I think it’d be easiest to use character names, but we should include the actor’s name too. Doesn’t hurt to have some name recognition and it’d help if someone wanted to check the actor’s IMdB listings.
Can the polling (and discussion of the polling) be in a separate thread?
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#78 Today, 07:41 PM
Zeldar
Guest Join Date: Jun 2003
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Originally Posted by AuntiePam
I like the idea of grouping the characters.
I think it’d be easiest to use character names, but we should include the actor’s name too. Doesn’t hurt to have some name recognition and it’d help if someone wanted to check the actor’s IMdB listings.
Can the polling (and discussion of the polling) be in a separate thread?
Certainly. Now may be the time to move the discussion to another thread. I’ll start one right away.