I think you should consider both of those as moddable. And very most definitely “kike” should be modded. That’s extremely offensive, and has never been anything else.
“Jewess” probably wasn’t considered offensive around, say, 1920. But a lot of people consider it offensive now. ETA: as sexist, even if not as otherwise bigoted.
I believe the post was reported at the time, and a mod (not me, not sure who) rejected the report. And it just got reported again because of my comment.
Also agreed. I think I’ve brought up before a friendly neighbor drunkenly wandering through my open front door and commenting on my white sibling’s adorable gweilo baby. My Chinese sister-in-law was very unamused. My neighbor meant nothing by it - he was also a white guy married to an Asian woman and had a mixed-race kid. Obviously he used the term unseriously and affectionately and he likely wouldn’t have even said it if he wasn’t happily blitzed. But my SiL didn’t know that nor would she have cared. All she heard was a nasty slur directed at her infant daughter.
Reclaiming slurs is a thing as are gently affectionate family takes on them. But best to leave it at home.
Given that pretty much every Yiddish word that I know is either a nickname for a part of the anatomy or can be used as an insult, I try to avoid using any of them unless both I and whoever I’m speaking to are totally clear about tone and context.
In my 20 years on the SDMB I can attest that we’re never on the same page regarding tone and context.
The problem with modding someone who affectionately refers to their wife as a Jewess is that the rule against personal insults doesn’t apply. So you would have to determine that “Jewess” is hate speech in this context, where the individual is actually using it as a term of affection. Which I think is the wrong decision.
My use of language was imprecise. Whatever it is, it’s not a slur. I made a mistake similar to the one made by people who use the term “racist” when what they really mean is “bigoted” or “prejudiced.”
Even so, I believe the (idiom? turn of phrase? allusion? not sure how to characterize a “saying” that can be worded in different ways) should be retired. It is too easy to infer that the speaker assumes a shared understanding that homosexual behavior is inherently scandalous.
At the same time, I don’t think most people mean any harm when they use it. That leaves me with the option of not using it myself, and politely suggesting to others who use it that they consider whether there is unintended anti-gay sentiment being expressed, then moving on. I can live with that.
@Darren_Garrison - I had no recollection that Edwin Edwards originated that phrase, although I’m sure I knew it at the time, as in 1983, for boring reasons I needn’t recount here, Louisiana politics were very important to me. Thanks for the history lesson!
If she ever objected to the term, I’ve forgotten the occasion. Doesn’t matter though. As I said above, I’ll stop using the term on the Dope. How do we feel about “my little falooda”? For those unfortunates who have not had it, falooda is vanilla ice cream, basil seeds, cardamom (I think), rose syrup and vermicelli. It is sweet and spectacular.
Thanks. As the child of a Jewish father and non-Jewish mother, I have never heard that term used in a way that wasn’t at least a little bit dismissive and “othering”, and I certainly would have gotten into a world of trouble for using it about either my mother or myself.
It’s none of my business what affectionate nicknames you use for and to your wife in private, but in an SDMB post it doesn’t really come across as affectionately as you doubtless intend it. IMHO, anyway.
However, also IMHO, it doesn’t come across as in any way anti-Indian, either.
I mean, Jewess is a term that is primarily used by bigots to treat Jewish women as different, and is generally seen as derogatory. I would say “derogatory word used for an ethnicity” does in fact fit under how we categorize “hate speech” here.
Granted, I do think that “hate speech” is often used differently in everyday language. It’s being used more how it tends to be used in, well, online communities, rather than how it is used in legal contexts in certain countries.
Using derogatory or even racist terms within a group is widely accepted, no matter how outraged outsiders may get about it. That said:
None of those have ever in my experience been in-group self-references used by Jews or their SOs. The latter two terms carry so much bigoted freight that they should be escorted to the edge of decent society and be told to get the f*ck out permanently.
I view shiksa as derogatory but not hateful if that makes any sense. My only personal experience with it was at the age of 12, when my grandmother, a sweet old lady with never a negative word for anyone, advised me, “Don’t marry a shiksa like your brother.”*
I think it would be a mistake for horrified pearl-clutching to ensue at every conceivable use of “shiksa” on the Dope, but don’t care much either way.
*advice that went unheeded. Mrs. J. was amused by the story.
I’d say at least sexist, in the sense that it is based on a history of treating masculinity as a default and requiring specifically indicating femininity. Thus, I don’t use words like:
actress
aviatrix
tigress
proprietress
authoress
murderess
barmaid
stewardess
ballerina
comedienne
hostess
housewife
waitress
But in the case of “jewess,” the way I hear it, the word carries with it a strong bite of antisemitism as well.
(Off topic, but, I once got into a tiff with my aunt when she told me and my brother that she didn’t care whom we married, so long as she weren’t a “negress.” I was jaw-droppingly shocked, mostly with the sentiment itself but also by the use of that strangely archaic word.$
Yeah, it’s astounding how many of those “ethnic female” words are actually attested, sometimes from sources as late as the 20th century. “Jewess” and “Negress” of course, but also “Turkess”, “Indianess”, “Saraceness”, etc.