The World According to Scylla

Probably the most important thing I’ve learned running is what I’ll call the relativity of comfort. It probably has another name.

To put it simply do you remember the fairy tale about the princess and the pea? There was this princess who was so refined that she could only sleep on top of a dozen mattresses, so soft and perfect did her bed have to be.

For some perverse reason that I don’t recall somebody slipped a pea between the bottom two mattresses. That night the princess tossed and turned, could hardly sleep, and woke up all exhausted and bruised from the gross discomfort inflicted by the pea.

Well, to one degree or another we are all the Princess. By “we” I mean those of us living in the modern world with all the benefits and privileges thereof.

As human beings we have a baseline of comfort and happiness that I believe is unrelated to our actual circumstances.

If we are mentally healthy sometimes there will be permutations from this baseline.

If our environment does not deviate far from the baseline of comfort, like the Princess we will become more and more sensitive and react with increasing severity to even the mildest deviations from this baseline.

As our level of comfort increases, that baseline increases with it.

The more comfortable and easier life is physically the more traumatic even mild discomfort is.

In modern society we tend to live as a whole in incredible physical ease. Yet, society is very competitive and our mental stress is extraordinarily high.

I think this dichotomy serves us poorly. We have evolved so that our bodies expect mental stress to have a physical outlet. Our muscles tense up when we’re stressed, our blood and heart rate go up, we have all kinds of physical reactions to mental stress.

For the most part we live in physical comfort without a physical outlet to mental stress.

So, in the modern world, we live much like the Princess tossing and turning on her mattresses, waking up bruised because of a single pea.

The obvious moral is to the fairy tale is that the Princess was stupid to pamper herself to such a degree of sensitivity, but what are we to do? Are we to give up the benefits of modern living and return to the caves in order to lower our physical baseline of comfort to a more reasonable level?

If we don’t do something we will be just as physically uncomfortable only more susceptible to deviations.

That princess wasn’t any more comfortable on her ten mattresses after all, she was just used to it.

For me, and for most runners I talk to, the physical exertion of running lowers the baseline of comfort without giving up any of the disadvantages of modern living.

What this means to me is that my comfy chair is a lot more comfortable to me now that I’m an avid runner than it was before I was an avid runner.

Physical comfort is more meaningful and physical discomfort is less meaningful.

The mind follows the body, and I find myself more able to cope with mental stress because it has a physical outlet.

It’s Freshman philosophy that opines that good needs evil to have meaning. But it holds true in terms of mental and physical comfort and stress.

No glass of water tastes or feels better than one after a long run.

Pleasure and pain go together. We have to feel both. If our environment does not produce it, we will produce it ourselves.

Increasing one’s comfort level is a short-term and ultimately self-destructive fix, because it then becomes the norm and we cease to be capable of appreciating it.

The intense exertion of exercise is not exactly painful, but it is an antidote to comfort. Over time it shifts the baseline back to a more reasonable level.


I’ll say it another way. The act of enduring through exercise means that you’re not doing it some other way the rest of the time when you’re not exercising.

Sometimes when I’m talking to nonrunners about running they’ll say “I don’t know how you can put yourself through that, how you can do that every day.”

Having been a nonrunner for much longer than I was a runner I know that the truth is that I am going to feel it no matter what I do. I do not suffer more than a nonrunner, or endure more.

The baseline that they set for their lifestyle is going to include pleasure and pain, comfort and discomfort just as mine will.

So the thing I’ve learned is that it hurt’s a lot worse not to exert yourself than it does if you do.

I eat very spicy food for all the same reasons.

This is gospel, and should be taught to every growing child.

Also, shouldn’t this thread be in IMHO?

Everything is relative – so goes the cliché, and I suppose it applies to our comfort level as well as our pain threshold. But Scylla seems to have concluded that we need some “bad” to really appreciate the “good”, like we need some wars to appreciate the peace, or some real minimum wage to appreciate the tax cuts for the rich.

Studies in asceticism indicate that there are many ways to find relief from stress. For some, like Scylla, running is the answer. For others, like Arnold Schwartznegger, body building may be the answer. For Rush Limbaugh, playing golf is the name of the game. These are people who believe that the mind follows the body. The result is 10% mind, 90 % body.

On the other hand, there are those who believe that the body follows the mind. That could translates into 90% brain, 10% body.

Now, which one of these 2 groups we want in charge of war and peace.

I’m just enjoying the heck out of this thread. I love to read Scylla, he has some good stuff.
“A critic is someone who never actually goes to the battle,
yet who afterwards comes out shooting the wounded.”
:wink:

Are you implying that Scylla is wounded?

Also, the representatives of the “Ministry of Truth” were supposed to include some critics. These critics did go to the battle. They were called “Embedded Journalists”.
Mind you, they did not shoot the wounded. They just watched while their “embeddies” did it.

Wuc:

Why are you being so mean?

Is it because I’m so cool and you’re jealous?

Scylla, you mean I’m mean? Frankly, compared to the title of this thread, I think I’ve been very nice to you.

To determine how cool you really are, I ran a search on your posts since the days you changed your name from Al Smith to Scylla. There are 379 pages containing over 9,000 topics you’ve participated.

I assure you, anyone who takes the time to read all your posts to-date will be able to construct a reasonably good picture of your character (or at least what you represent as Scylla in this forum). And I am sorry to inform you that it is not a pretty picture. It is not cool, and certainly nothing to be jealous about.

I have discussed your posts with several people, and the verdict is unanimous: Scylla and december have a lot in common, except that the latter finally got banned. While going through some of your posts in 2003, 2002 and 2001, it was amazing to see how much animosity you have created.

On 10 Feb 2000, one month after you re-joined SDMB as Scylla, you yourself used the Law of Entropy to show the more you post the less sense you make. You said on that day “Anybody with a post count higher than 500 is a senile troll”. And guess why december got canned. Yep, you got it, he became a senile troll.

You went further on that post and said “The truly superior posters will lurk for one year, read everything, arrive, and make one and only one pure all encompassing post of ultimate truth. Then they will disappear. This is my unified post theory”.

After 4 years and over 9400 posts, you have now started this thread entitled “The World According to Scylla”. If that is not a smug, sanctimonious, and pompous ass title, I don’t know what is. Generally, a cool person is not so full of himself, like you appear to be.

Finally, I must refer you to one of your own posts from 3 years ago. You said:

**Nobody here is recquired to pay lip service to someone else’s beliefs.

I will most likely continue to post the occasional (okay, frequent) stupid assertion here and fully expect to get my ass kicked for it when I do.

Some of my beliefs and some things I have thought as fact have been destroyed by a collision with reality on this board. In one case I found my ignorance to be so embarassing, I took personal offense when it was pointed out to me. I am wiser for the discussion**

Well, Scylla, what do you think about yourself these days? Any room for improvement, or do you feel you have reached perfection. Do you think anyone that gives you a mirror to look at yourself is being mean to you?

Hmm. It appears that someone’s Wheaties have been peed in recently.

No offense to Scylla, but anyone who takes the time to read more than 9000 posts in one go needs to get out a bit more.

Dig it: count me in the intrigued category. One minor problem, I’ve only been here a short while, but this post is bordering on ad hominem. Maybe a Pit thread to expose your and your friends’ findings?

This way, Scylla can keep talking about breathing and walking and thinking, whilst simultaneously avoiding banishment to the creepy wastelands of IMHO. (Which is, in and of itself, yet another debatable and less-than-phenomenal occurrence.)

…my goodness…

Wake up call, did Scylla used to steal candy from you or something?

I’m not sure whether I “buy” what Scylla is saying here or not but I do dig the idea of questioning reptilian brain functions like breathing. That takes balls. Walking isn’t far behind.

I was thinking about the walking thing and how you compared human heels to dogs heels and while I can see how their legs are better designed for walking and running and that there’s an obvious similarity, I don’t think it’s the same.

To begin with, dogs have four legs, which is a huge difference. But more importantly, their heels are raised up a good distance from the ground and human heels are flat, level with their front pads. If I try to land on the front part of my foot, then it seems like there’s no point in following through with landing on my heel because I’m already on to the next step.
The other thing is that humans probably weren’t designed for long distance running at all. More likely I would imagine short sprints would be more useful to get away from a predator.
At the same time, I do see the advantage to using the heel as a shock absorber but they way we’re built (now) doesn’t seem to lend itself to that style of running without effort.

I haven’t figured out the breathing thing yet but maybe listening to a spouse breathing at night in their sleep might offer a clue. It could be possible that humans changed their breathing for social reasons. I don’t run anywhere so I’ll just take your word for it.

…And I’m all for the in-fighting but this thread shouldn’t turn into a pit thread.

Agree 100%. After 4 years of experience in this forum, you’d think a “cool” guy would know where he should post his thread. Is there anyone here who wants to debate whether the OP’s thread should have been posted in IMHO or The Pits rather than in Great Debates?

I’m not sure that running is the best model for how one should walk under normal circumstances. I ran cross country in high school and one does indeed land on the front part of the foot while running over uneven land, much the way the OP describes it, though due to the uneven surfaces over which one is running, one tends to land as much on the ball of the foot as on the outside. But I’m not sure why that means that running should be the model for casual walking.

Why wouldn’t race walking be a better model? Race walkers, I’ve observed, tend to use an exaggerated heel-to-toe stride.

How about walking barefoot on broken glass? One places the entire foot flat on the glass shards and shuffles it back and forth, stirring the glass a bit, which shifts the glass shards into a position in which the flat parts of the glass are against the foot.

Or how about walking on hot coals? Here again you use a rolling heel-to-toe stride.

I’m not trying to be facecious here. I just don’t think that behavior that is most beneficial in a high stress situation is necessarily the best for a relaxed situation.

Sure primitive man didn’t have carpets or shock absorbing shoes. But I do. And I find casual walking in comfortable walking shoes to be most comfortable when walking heel to toe (yes, I tried the method in the OP; it felt awkward when wearing shoes, much less so barefoot, but I’m almost never barefoot, so that’s of little concern for me). It drives my wife crazy (though I don’t understand why) that I wear my shoes from the time I get up in the morning until I go to bed at night.

Finally, and I don’t offer this as evidence of anything, just as an observation somewhat related to the topic. I watched the movie Whale Rider yesterday afternoon. The heroine, as well as her entire village, spends nearly the entire movie barefoot, so I popped in the dvd and watched how she walks. It’s pretty much always heel-to-toe, on blacktop highway, dirt, sand, and hardwood floors. I suspect that how one walks barefoot may have a great deal to do with how tough the soles of ones feet are. Someone who goes barefoot all the time is going to build up calluses and be less susceptible to the hazards listed in the op. When I walk barefoot in a potentially hazardous situation, I do probe with the ball of my foot, but, having tender feet from the protection of shoes and carpets, I’m hardly an example of how someone who goes barefooot all the time should walk.

We adapt to our circumstances. Most of us wear shoes. The best way to walk barefoot, or to run in shoes, isn’t really relevant here, the best way to walk while wearing shoes is. And having tried the method in the op, I find heel-to-toe more comfortable.

Scylla, would you like a livejournal code?

Consider me creeped out.

Wow Wake Up Call, setting up a Scylla study group, now that’s what I call a hard on.

The “Mental Things” was interesting and thought-provoking.

But I think that breathing according to Scylla and running according to Scylla doesn’t extend to situations where the body is relaxed.

For example I don’t feel walking heel-to-toe barefooted puts any stress on my joints if the foot-ground angle isn’t very big (meaning not unnaturaly large steps) and if it is then the controled fall that is taking a step means there will be a lot more weight on the heel but it feels very awkard to bend my ankle to walk according to Scylla then. And I always did it naturaly on the rare occasions I run barefoot.

I took the thread title as being rather tongue in cheek - then again, I’m not someone who takes this board so seriously that I’d wade through 9400 posts of another member in order to make up some kind of psychological profile of them.
“The World according to mascaroni”:
Go out sometime.
You might enjoy it.
Scylla:
I’ve tried that walk at home and it feels good, but I wouldn’t want to do it in public because it also feels… well… a bit silly.
Maybe with more practice…

I took the thread title as being rather tongue in cheek - then again, I’m not someone who takes this board so seriously that I’d wade through 9400 posts of another member in order to make up some kind of psychological profile of them.
“The World according to mascaroni”:
Go out sometime.
You might enjoy it.
Scylla:
I’ve tried that walk at home and it feels good, but I wouldn’t want to do it in public because it also feels… well… a bit silly.
Maybe with more practice…