The world is perfect?

[Machinaforce]

Something that just bothered me is all:

Yeah, it’s tough not to judge the lower stages. You really gotta grow into deep Yellow and Turquoise in order to be able to look upon Blue and the other stages without animosity. At Turquoise there is a deep realization that everything within reality is necessary and perfect. When you realize that, you see that every person is precisely where they must be. It makes no sense any longer to blame or criticize people for their ignorance because they know not what they do and they cannot help themselves.

The only way to attain peace for yourself is to totally drop all judgment of people and reality. And this can only happen by becoming conscious of the truth of nonduality. You have to realize that self/other are literally identical.

If you accomplish that, you will be left with unconditional love for all. You will see the world the way God sees it: perfect as it is.

One of the biggest obstacles to enlightenment is giving up all your judgments, demonizations, and criticisms of reality.

Imagine being unable to judge anyone or anything ever again. Such a notion scares most people. Unconditional love is very radical. The ego cannot stand it. It’s too dangerous from the ego’s perspective.

At the deepest levels of nonduality all action is pointless. You could just shoot yourself and it would be okay. It’s all perfect. Teaching is pointless of course. But in practice you will probably just carry on with life, for shits and giggles, and probably teach.

The world cannot be improved in any way at all. It is an Absolute singularity, and everything is already contained within it for eternity. But this is not something that can be explained, and it certainly sits outside of Spiral Dynamics so I don’t even talk about it. You will only discover this for yourself, at the very deepest levels of nondual consciousness. At which point, you will no longer need me or anyone else to guide you.

It’s based on this: http://www.cruxcatalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/spiral-dynamic-image.jpg and this is the thread: Leo's stage blue video is good. - Personal Development -- [Main] - Actualized.org Forum

It just got me twisted about whether we are just kidding ourselves about making things better.

[Der_Trihs]

The Just World Fallacy is an enormously destructive belief that causes immense suffering. The world isn’t perfect, and blaming victims for what happened to them won’t make it any more perfect.

And “unconditional love” is worthless and irrational. It’s outright pathological. There’s nothing admirable about loving someone who tortures children or beats their wife.

[Velocity]

@OP: your post reads like

woo woo woo

[Beckdawrek]

Dude, you’re overthinking it.

[flurb]

So what you’re saying is that sometimes the world looks perfect, nothing to rearrange. But sometimes you just get a feeling like you need some kind of change.

[raventhief]

What?

[elbows]

Please stop using Buddhist terms you clearly do not comprehend. No, your personal interpretation doesn’t count.

When you use these terms so very wrongly you broadcast a staggering ignorance of a truly beautiful philosophy and it’s structures.

[Wesley_Clark]

That won’t work.

Sadly our brains are designed to make us need the world to be something the world is not. There is a term for it, weltschmerz.

Weltschmerz (from the German, literally world-pain, also world weariness, pronounced [ˈvɛltʃmɛɐ̯ts]) is a term coined in the 1830s by the German author Jean Paul and denotes the kind of feeling experienced by someone who believes that physical reality can never satisfy the demands of the mind.

The mind requires reality to be a safer, more fulfilling, more stable place than it really is. This causes suffering. You can ‘try’ to give up on the mind’s demands, but you will not succeed. Just because you tell your mind to stop suffering because you have no food doesn’t make the pain of hunger go away.

On the bright side, life doesn’t last forever. And humans are developing new technologies to make life better all the time.

[Wesley_Clark]

@flurb

So what you’re saying is that sometimes the world looks perfect, nothing to rearrange. But sometimes you just get a feeling like you need some kind of change.

I wonder if the OP and the person who sold him his drugs were friends or if they were perfect strangers.

[snfaulkner]

@Wesley_Clark

I wonder if the OP and the person who sold him his drugs were friends or if they were perfect strangers.

Great. Now I wanna blast some deep purple and rainbow and eat a fistful of drugs. Again.

[Drunky_Smurf]

@Wesley_Clark

That won’t work.

Sadly our brains are designed to make us need the world to be something the world is not. There is a term for it, weltschmerz.

The mind requires reality to be a safer, more fulfilling, more stable place than it really is. This causes suffering. You can ‘try’ to give up on the mind’s demands, but you will not succeed. Just because you tell your mind to stop suffering because you have no food doesn’t make the pain of hunger go away.

On the bright side, life doesn’t last forever. And humans are developing new technologies to make life better all the time.

Holy crap. :eek:

Thank you, for giving me a name for this.

Immortality, as much as I wish it, would truly be Hell.

[Voyager]

Oddly enough I just watched the ST:TOS episode “Return of the Archons.” Are you of the body, OP?

[Darren_Garrison]

@flurb

So what you’re saying is that sometimes the world looks perfect, nothing to rearrange. But sometimes you just get a feeling like you need some kind of change.

Of course not, don’t be ridiculous.

[Inigo_Montoya]

@Voyager

Oddly enough I just watched the ST:TOS episode “Return of the Archons.” Are you of the body, OP?

Very relevant, brother. “This is a soulless society, captain. It has no spirit, no spark. All is indeed peace and tranquility – the peace of the factory; the tranquility of the machine; all parts working in unison.”

My response to the OP was sorta along those lines. Everything IS perfect and how it ought to be, but that doesn’t mean you don’t get to see problems and that any effort to correct them is misplaced. The individual is no more useless in such a world than a cog is in clockworks. All it means is everyone has a role in this world, and all you need to do is just play it. Someone’s role is to be deprived, maybe you role is to prey on them or to help them–don’t stress, just do you.

[BrotherCadfael]

Well, as this is the only possible world, it follows therefore that it must be the best of all possible worlds.

[Shodan]

@Beckdawrek

Dude, you’re overthinking it.

I would agree if I knew what he is overthinking. He lost me at Turquoise.

Regards,
Shodan (a delicate shade of cerise with hints of melon and saffron)

[Kobal2]

The fuck did I just read ?

[Inigo_Montoya]

@BrotherCadfael

Well, as this is the only possible world, it follows therefore that it must be the best of all possible worlds.

Tao. The lighter side of nihilism.

[MrDibble]

The OP doesn’t know that Turquoise isn’t the way - Indigo, here we go!

Of course the world isn’t perfect. Because the World is a Vampire.

[Velocity]

@Machinaforce

You will see the world the way God sees it: perfect as it is.

I suspect you are being a (something I can’t accuse you of here by forum rules) but if you mean the Christian God, God never says this world in its current condition is perfect as is; on the contrary, Scripture is quick to state that the current world is full of sin and evil.