above was to Libertarian, of course.
Yeah, Saddam certainly deserves benefit of the doubt. But I didn’t say anything about Saddam.
You may not have, but the first picture on your cite was of Saddam. And I really have no idea what relevance that had to the particular subject of the OP. I could cite the story of My Lai, but that wouldn’t be relevant either.
Have someone show you how to use the scroll bar. Also, have them explain adjectival clauses like “Iraq photos”.
Deliberately obtuse it is then.
You really can be a prick sometimes.
there’s nothing better than a quote from 1987’s “The Lost Boys”
Is this a joke? The page you linked to used his name 15 times.
So we are merely competing to find the “worst” photo ever captured in the country known as Iraq, ever?
May I be the first to suggest, then, when you changed your username, it should perhaps have been altered not to Liberal, but to Literal.
What made you draw that conclusion?
The comparison of tortured Iraqi prisoners and genocide in Kurdistan doesn’t really help your cause, Lib. It really just makes you look like an ass. There are certain arguments against witch the standard “Saddam was evil” work. However you can’t use that against US soldiers, supposedly coming in the name of freedom, killing prisoners civilians on purpose. Honestly at what point does this excuse not hold water? How much more like Saddam can we become, while still claiming that the result is the greater good? At some point you have to say, “This is fucked up and although we aren’t as bad as Saddam, I am fucking sad we even got into this mess.”
I reached that point when I saw the photos. After those photos came out I thought, “Theres nothing good that can come out of this now.” Why do I think this? Its not because I think that the torture is actually impacting a large group of people. Well, I would say that it wasn’t. But we have completely lost all of our justificiation in the Arab world for being there. We tortured prisoners in the same place as Saddam. Now there’s going to be lots of new pictures showing up. The torture may stop, but the investigations won’t.
Oh, and don’t think that Al Queda hasn’t just been given the best recruitment tool that they could dream of.
I have no reason to justify Bush’s actions. I believed him at the beginning when he wanted to invade Iraq. I thought it was a bold geopolitical play with the added benifit of looking like it was a humanitarian action. Well, the geopolitical benefits are certainly gone by the wayside, and the humanitarian benefit is also quickly losing meaning.
What the fuck?!? “Warning: the following photos contain nudity.”
So the dead bodies are ok, but nooo nakedness? Man, that’s fucked up.
Abu Ghraib has been rechristened Camp Redemption.
See, it wasn’t torture after all. Here’s why those guys were smiling:
Y’know, the other day I was re-reading 1984. Some jerk interrupted my reading, with: “Wow - haven’t read that in years! I guess it’s a little outdated though, huh?” :rolleyes:
The renaming is doubleplusgood.
[sub](ok, so perhaps repeated references to 1984 are trite, but c’mon, it’s too damned easy in the current socio-political climate. It’s not even a small stretch to illuminate the similarities!)[/sub]
Indeed:
So we know that an experiment such as this produces guards who act like this out of apparently ordinary, well-adjusted people, and in fairly short order, too.
Seems the logical conclusion is that while the MPs at Abu Ghraib might should still be punished to some extent, the serious punishments should be saved for those who, for lack of a better term, ran this experiment on them.
Ugh, indeed! I’ll bet there’s yet a third and then some.
Which emphasizes even more the importance of the leadership maintaining strong rules against such behavior. You’re gonna be a lot more likely to have people act like that if you tell the interrogators that ‘torture lite’ is OK, as they did, than if you tell them that such conduct is expressly forbidden and will be punished.
If you are out on having pictures of what the US caused so far in Iraq, like children with their brains dripping out of their skull or with their arms and legs blown off, or a father holding some pieces of flesh - which is what was left from his baby -
up to the camera, or a man screaming in despair because the US army just killed his whole family while blowing up their car deliberately… Just say so.
I’m not known to provide for links to websites. But in this case I think it can do no harm to show some pictures about what invading a nation causes among the population.
You can have also some nice Iraqi-loving quotes coming from US soldiers and some pictures of such soldiers, and what is written on their helmet or on the bombs they are about to drop.
Salaam. A
If you are out on having pictures of what the US caused so far in Iraq, like children with their brains dripping out of their skull or with their arms and legs blown off, or a father holding some pieces of flesh - which is what was left from his baby -
up to the camera, or a man screaming in despair because the US army just killed his whole family while blowing up their car deliberately… Just say so.
I’m not known to provide for links to websites. But in this case I think it can do no harm to show some pictures about what invading a nation causes among the population.
You can have also some nice Iraqi-loving quotes coming from US soldiers and some pictures of such soldiers, and what is written on their helmet or on the nice harmless bombs they are about to drop on the population.
Salaam. A
He’s pining for the fjords!