That neighborhood had a series of break ins , stolen lap tops etc. Several did involve young black males. One of Zimmerman’s neighbors was on TV the other night saying that ALL the break ins were young black males. I’ve yet to see if that’s true. IMO Zimmerman was convinced that Martin was one of those young black males who were doing the break ins. You can tell by the words he chose including “These Assholes always get away”
I’ve also read that some of Zimmerman’s neighbors had complained about him going a little to far in his NW. Following people and questioning them. A former co worker said he was Jeckyl and Hyde and was fired from his security job for being to aggressive.
IMO Zimmerman questioned Martin aggressively, perhaps tried to detain him and they struggled. Martin was killed. If Zimmerman was the aggressor, he’s guilty.
If MArtin was the Aggressor, then MArtin was defending himself from an armed stranger , and Zimmerman is still guilty.
You don’t get to provoke a fight and then shoot someone when you are losing.
Wait, what?
To be classified as a ‘non-racist’, I have to admit that I’d like to see a possibly innocent man convicted or lynched?
I think the Stand Your Ground proponents are arguing, yes, you can commit a crime and kill your intended victim, if they fight back with deadly force. Under Stand Your Ground, I could go into a bank, hand the teller a robbery note, and if the bank guard pulled a gun, I can pull my gun and shoot him dead without being held accountable for the murder.
No, you parsed that incorrectly. He’s saying that the mischaracterisation of the posters in the thread claiming that there’s a reasonable case against Zimmerman is evidence of the poster’s own racist ideology (hence the use of the word lynched).
I think you missed a word or two in the post you quoted.
I was telling him that the people getting tarred as racists were receiving that treatment because they kept claiming everyone else had already decided Zimmerman was guilty. So, I asked him to point out anyone who’d decided that.
I think I already explained all of this to you, but you can’t insult other people in Great Debates (or forum other than the Pit). You can’t call them trolls, and you can’t call them names. Even in the Pit, you can’t tell people you wish they would die. Trolling isn’t allowed either, but the staff gets to make the decisions on who is trolling and who is not. Meanwhile, you have to follow the rules, and I’m giving you a formal warning here.
Just when I thought Condescending Robot’s posts were as stupid as was possible.
Regards,
Shodan
Wrong. Unde SYG you explicitly cannot do that. Read it again.
Then Zimmerman can also be found guilty of murder.
No Stand your ground does no apply when you are committing a crime, we could use someone like Lawbuff for the specifics
Is there any basketball on?
Who said he couldn’t be? If the jury decides that it is not reasonable that he was afraid for his life, sure.
Before lunch on a work day? No, the NBA doesn’t schedule a whole lot of games that compete with morning game shows and soap operas.
so, for the 15th time, do you think the cops were beyond reproach in this case…?
No one is ever beyond reproach.
sometimes, professionally, they can be. totally.
do you, tho, PERSONALLY think that in THIS CASE they did all they could have and should have to secure truth and justice?
do you, in particular, think they took down 100% of the facts, as willingly given by eyewitnesses, without omission or neglect?
specifically, do you think everything Mary Cucher had to say was eagerly and honestly heard out by the responding officer and added into the report with the utmost care for diligent and honest reporting on the case in mind?
or do you think part of her testimony was omitted or neglected?
let’s go back to the reproach question: do you think the responding officers did a decent job at upholding truth and justice in this case…?
Really? Can you give an example?
Since I have no idea what exactly they did and did not do, why would you expect a definitive answer?
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Another caller, Mora’s roommate, Mary Cutcher, phoned police after the gunshot and said the black man was standing over another man, which would have been impossible, because Trayvon was already dead.
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How is she a credible witness? (You do understand, don’t you, that phone calls to police are recorded?)
you are the squirreliest. you just answered every single question with questions. literally every answer you provided ended in question marks.
if you don’t intend to answer anyone’s questions, why should anyone answer yours?
I don’t expect you to. I expect you to continue ignoring the facts I give you. Like Mary Cutcher’s complete unreliability as a witness.
There are reports that the police did made leading questions and changed the testimony of witnesses on the spot, and this is even reported in the news you are citing here, the police in this case are not showing as reliable and I would like to indeed hear what she said.
Of course we could listen to what she is reporting:
