There aren't enough ugly words in the english language for this woman

The BBQ Pit
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I don’t think she is evil. She is just stupid, but in a kind of specialized way.

It doesn’t occur to some people that the laws of cause and effect apply to their actions. It never occurred to her that when people said, “If you leave a dog or something like that in a car on a hot day, it could die”, that this applied to her as well.

That is why she drove around for three hours thinking up an excuse (and why she came up with such a bad one). It was an un-accustomed effort for her to think from point A to point B, and decide what was likely to happen if she took a specific course of action.

She also was unable to predict that the police would be able to see thru her excuse in less than half a jiffy. No doubt she had heard something on TV about Tawana Brawley, and figured she would give it a shot.

There have been a couple of cases like this near where I live. In one, a father dropped his older children off at day care, and forgot about his infant child who was in the back seat. He then parked his car and went to work, and the baby died of the heat.

In another, a person went off on a week’s vacation and left her baby in its crib, unattended, and the baby died of thirst and starvation. Her defense in court was that she should have been convicted, as she was too stupid to realize that babies die if you don’t feed them. Her lawyer phrased it differently, of course. She was convicted.

Robert Louis Stevenson said that there were two kinds of people who get their comeuppance in this life - fools, and knaves, but the fools first. I think he was wrong.

The ones who suffer first are the innocent who depend on the fools. First and worst, and there is nothing we are likely to do to this woman that is going to change that.

Think I’ll go home and hug and kiss the two junior members of the Shodan family. A lot.

Regards,
Shodan

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I have a hard time believing she loved her children. I think if she did she wouldn’t have driven around trying to come up with an excuse. She would have screamed for help.

Too late of course.

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I do have to wonder something.

At 3 years old my child would have been smart enough to get out of the car if it was too hot. At that age, when ever my daughter felt like she was in danger, sick, afraid, she would seek me out.

Why didn’t the 3 year old open the door and find mom?

It makes me wonder if the child felt safer in the car?

Of course, I have nothing to base past abuse of those children on. But still, I think anyone who leaves children of that age in a car alone and can not see the car, need to have their asses kicked. Kids can get into all sorts of trouble in a car alone.

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I’m from this area and I was sickened by this story. So much that I had tears in my eyes thinking about the little mouthprints on the glass.

What do you want to bet she parked far enough away from the building so no one would see the kids in the car? I can’t imagine she was the only salon customer all day or that the salon was the only place open in the building.

This kind of crap happens all the time here. Parents who just gotta go to the casino or shopping and the kids are such an inconvenience. It’s flat out negligence. She wasn’t so stupid that she didn’t know she had to cover her own butt. And driving around for three hours with your dead kids covered in puke? That’s some kind of shit even Stephen King can’t conjure up.

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Belladonna, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

So I’ll just rant. I remember my mom taking me to her stylist to get her hair done. She sat me in the corner. She brought toys to keep me occupied. If I acted up, she yelled at me and made me sit in the corner. She didn’t LOCK ME IN THE FUCKING CAR TO DIE!!! This woman could have left the kids at home with a babysitter. It’s not the fact she “forgot” about them, it’s the fact she PURPOSEFULLY NEGLECTED THEM. That’s why she should get punished. There are several actions she could have taken to keep these kids safe, but instead, she couldn’t leave them at home by themselves, so she leaves them in a car by themselves? Even if she did leave the windows down, she fucking abandoned her kids in a public place? How would people react if the kids were just kidnapped? It would be her fault just the same, because she put them in that situation where they couldn’t defend themselves. This woman deserves to be thrown into the deepest, darkest dungeon of a prison we have so she can stew on what she did. Don’t pass this off as a caring mother who made a mistake. I’m pretty sure that given time, social services would have found some reason to take them away from her, and rightfully so.

As for Dieter’s question about why didn’t the kid just open the door? Well, there’s this little thing known as “kiddy locks,” which prevent a door from being opened from the inside. Usually, they just work for the back doors, so it’s possible he couldn’t get into the front seat. Also, depending on how the lock mechanisms work, he may not have been able to unlock the door by hand, and couldn’t work the mechanical controls.

What I want to know is, she told the police she’d been abducted and raped…Did she mess up her hair to help with realism, or did she keep it nice and prim?

Fucking bitch.

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Yeah, we had that happen a couple of times last year in Chicago. While the act of forgetting a small baby in the car is mortally stupid, I don’t see a mens rea–sometimes people get really distracted, and tragic things can occur. I was more troubled by the recent Chicago case of a daycare worker who left somebody’s kid in a van–it was his entire job to care for children. He should have known better and had a clear duty to act on that knowledge, but failed to, which strikes me as a stronger case for punishment. Not murder, but certainly reckless endangerment/manslaughter depending on what he pleads to.

Now, I believe the woman described in the DFP column is a murderer and should be prosecuted as such. She intentionally created circumstances which a reasonable person could foresee to cause injury or death. Not sure what the penal code says about murder in Detroit, but it’s probably pretty close to that. Even if it’s not, she can (and should) get nailed on felony-murder: her children died during a felonious act (felony child abuse), and I think manslaughter would be entirely inappropriate in this case. Send her to rot in jail–for once I’d be glad to foot the expense as a taxpayer.

Final comment: I also have to disagree with people who say “she’s suffered enough.” As I said, accidents happen: parents can get distracted, kids can be stupid (I remember 4 girls in Utah who managed to lock themselves in a car trunk and suffocated/hyperthermalized to death), and parents in such situations truly must suffer an immense guilt. But for parents who deliberately–even if unaware of the consequences–create situations which any idiot would see could lead to their children’s deaths…I get the feeling that such people feel worse about being caught than about their children’s deaths. [sigh]

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This is from Detroit’s NBC affiliate website.

(bolding mine)

Well, duh. If she’s pregnant-- and she faces life in prison-- I’m pretty sure she wouldn’t be able to take the kid with her to the Big House.
But the sooner we remove this woman from a society in which she has easy access to fertile testicles the better.

Happy, sad and mad

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Someone in the previous thread had asked where the father was. I’m wondering the same thing. I can’t imagine what he must be feeling about all this, if he’s alive or even knew the kids existed…
I feel the same as the OP, I can’t even begin to DESCRIBE how disgusted I am at this woman.

Those poor children. :frowning:

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She placed a higher value on her appearance than on her children’s safety. Risking your children’s lives for the purpose of making yourself look good seems like a kind of evil to me.

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This woman was and is a criminal and should have been out of the public long ago. It’s a shame it took the death of the children to finally nail her down.

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I haven’t felt this kind of rage since that woman in Texas drowned her five children.
I’m going to be spending several hours in the gym tonight trying to work out this anger.
I feel sorry for my workout partner who’ll be holding the heavy bag for me tonight. He’ll br bruised for sure tomorrow… as will my hands.

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thinksnow -

Some people just drift thru life. Like I said, it never occurred to her that when they said she had to show up for sentencing, it meant that she had to show up.

I gotta quit reading this thread. It makes me feel more and more than she deserves the death penalty, not because she had any actual malice in letting her children die, but because there is no fucking way that the death of her children is going to make ANY FUCKING DIFFERENCE. She is how she is. Her children - past, present, and God save the mark, future - are going to suffer the consequences.

God have mercy on them, and on me, and on her, and on a society that allows people like this to vote and drive cars.

Regards,
Shodan

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Death is way too good for this bitch.
I say let her spend the rest of her days in a lone, stuffy, poorly ventilated cell-heated enough so that she’s miserable, but just a few degrees away from what would kill her-so she sweats the rest of her days in a place that feels like Satan’s Sauna.

I want her miserable. I don’t want to see her get off easy.

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The death penalty isn’t even an option in this case, as it’s not legal here in MI.
That’s not to say she won’t get stuck in prison and be left in a corner to bleed to death.

Happy

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I am nauseated, disgusted and angry. But I lost the capacity for outrage after a family came home from church and left the baby strapped in their van on a hot Arizona afternoon while they went inside and ate dinner. The mother’s excuse was “I thought one of the other children was taking care of the baby.” The press and public made much of her grief, but my thought, then and now, is: “you thought one of the other children was taking care of the baby?!” You never noticed the baby wasn’t in the house? You left the care of an infant to another child? What the fuck is wrong with you?

And let’s not even get into child drownings…