Case, yes. Holster? I don’t think that that is really safely secured. A holster in a case, sure.
A car is a bit harder to sneak off of private property and take into a public setting than a gun is. If someone can’t be trusted with a car in public, then they can’t have a car in public. If someone can’t be trusted to not bring a gun into the public, then they just can’t have a gun.
Give someone 3 chances to be violent with their guns before they are temporarily removed from their easy access? The whole point of a red flag law is that it is determined that they are not safe to have a gun.
I’d say that they should have to demonstrate that they can be trusted before giving them back in the first place.
I mean, we lock people up for that long or longer for being violent in their teens. I’m optimistic that people can change, that they can overcome their pasts, but it takes more than just time, it takes an actual commitment to want to be better.
The safety problem is that guns go bang when anyone pulls the trigger. Cars have keys that can be removed, cars are very difficult for children to operate.
Two solutions to this “unsolvable” problem is to properly secure your guns from access to children or thieves, and to make sure that only an authorized user can activate a gun.
The first is easy. If it is not on or directly supervised by an aware and sober adult, then it is locked in a gun safe.
The second would require a bit of work, but there have been attempts down this avenue, which are resisted by gun owners. The golden standard would be biometrics, but I can see how that can take a while before it is practical. I would be happy with a key that needs to be inserted before the safety can be disengaged. Maybe a removable trigger with a keylike connection.
But, we didn’t have airbags when cars were first created. Nor anti-lock brakes, or crumple zones, or a myriad other things that were never thought of by the early car makers.
Are you saying that the number of injuries and deaths from legitimate* self defense are greater than those through accidental or criminal use?
I don’t think I want to go much further down this and start a hijack unless we want another thread on it, but my impression was that those two states were the ones that had the most permissive of laws. Every state is different, so without knowing what state you are talking about, it’s hard to say.
Every bar serves alcohol with the expectation that most of their patrons are going to be driving on public roads afterwards. It is up to the patron and the tender to ensure that they have not had too much. As with any law, it is how well it is enforced that makes a difference. Lots of laws on the books don’t get enforced, so I’d assume that as long as you don’t cause injury or severe damage, driving drunk on a golf course gets a look the other way.
Would that include removing someone’s access to guns in the future?
If he wants treatment for the gunshot wound, he’s going to need to report it. Part of the report is to ask what happened, who shot you.
If he refuses to cooperate, then he would be the one charged with criminal negligence and have his access to guns removed. If he’s willing to do that for the guy that shot him, he’s a really good friend.
You can’t just have anything on your property. If your unregistered cars are leaking oil into the watershed, you are still going to be held responsible. I actually don’t care if you have a grenade launcher on your private property, as long as it doesn’t disturb the peace outside of your private property, and that you are held to a much higher standard of having to ensure the proper security of such dangerous devices.
If they are stolen and used off your property, then you should not be allowed to have them again until you have demonstrated that you are able to secure them.
If you sell them to someone who uses them in public, then you should face criminal charges.
*and by legitimate, I mean that the person left standing is the one who gets to tell the story, so there may be a number or illegitimate uses that get reported as legitimate.