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I would like to know which years were “crap” since the Cherokee changed ONCE in its history.

The new Grand cherokees may look less like Jeeps than the older models, but it is still a Jeep. The I6 is still avaliable, solid fromt and rear axles, coil spings at all 4 corners, and Quadradrive II (an awsome all time 4-wheel drive T-case).

I don’t even want to think about the new Liberty. IFS in a Jeep? No more 4.0 I6? Instead a crappy V6 engine with a pussies amount of torque. Willy himself is probably rolling in his grave right now.

Jeeps aren’t just vehicles. Jeep is a way of life.

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The V6 2.8 was replaced in 1987 by the 4.0 inline 6. (The four-cylinder Turbo Diesel was available from 1985-1987.)

The New Process NP-207 was replaced by the NP231J (could be considered an evolution though, rather than a replacement).

The NP-229 transfer case was replaced in 1987 by the NP-242.

Transmissions were:
1984-1987 4-spd. Aisin Warner AX-4 (mostly 4 cyl.)
1987-1989 5-spd. Peugeot BA-10 (mostly 4.0 sixes)
1984-1994 5-spd. Aisin Warner (mostly 4-cyl.)
1989-1999 5-spd. Aisin Warner (6-cyl.)
1984-1991 3-spd. auto Chrysler 904 & 909 (optional; 6 & 4 cyl.)
1987-1991 4-spd. auto Aisin Warner (optional; 6 cyl.)

Wing windows or “wind wings” disappeared.

So there were a number of changes, but they were to the engine and drive train. My reference says that the best bet is a Cherokee made after 1987 (when the 4.0 came out). Fours are not powerhouses, and some may consider them “crap”. Stay away from the 2.8 V6, which had marginal output and a reputation for major problems. Cracked heads were very common. The T-4 four-speed (1984-1986) had a marginal reliability record, as did the T-5 from the same era. The worst, according to Illustrated Buyer’s Guide: Jeep, was the Peugeot BA-10 five-speed (also in Wranglers). “One experienced Jeep mechanic called the BA-10, ‘a grenade with the pin out and the safety handle taped down with old Scotch tape.’” Also, the NP-229 transfer case (mostly in the Wagoneer or Limited models) had to be engaged 10 miles per month for proper lubrication.

So there are aome years to avoid. But you’ll notice that the Cherokee was constantly improved with a number of changes that took place over the years.

The basic body has not really been changed at all. It sort-of evolved. But they all look pretty-much the same, after taking into account the changing styles and fashions that take place over the years.

HomeSlice: If you’re really that upset, have you signed the petition? :smiley: (BTW: There’s a link at Jeeps Unlimited to the DC feedback page. Unfortunately I don’t remember which thread.)

Oh yeah, a minor board skirmish is taking place between some JU posters who raided the Amigo board, and Amigo drivers who jumped over to JU. Most people are trying to be civil and get along, but there are some insults, claims and counter-claims. All in good fun, eh?

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I don’t see why y’all are worrying about the Cherokee anyway. They strike me as being station wagons with delusions of sportiness. I always thought the Wrangler (and it’s precendents) were the TRUE inheritors of the Jeep legacy.

Mine’s in the parking lot outside right now.

Now THAT’s the best engineered car I’ve ever known.

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dropzone, enderw24, and rickjay, you all made me laugh, hard. thank you for that.

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Dude, i have been a regular at that forum for almost 2 years now. I go under the name justin.

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Johnny, don’t be dissin’ Peugeot transmissions now, lad! :smiley:

(Actually, I can easily see that a mid-80’s Peugeot gearbox wouldn’t do for a large, heavy car that was about to be tossed around a lot in heavy terrain. AND I’m wondering how Jeep winded up at Peugeot anyway for their gear box needs??)

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I take my unmodified Cherokee out in the mud. It’s a very capable vehicle with lots of power, good road manners, and it’s good offroad as well.

The Jeep has had many owners: Willys-Overland, Kaiser, AMC, Chrysler, Daimler… In the late 1970s/early 1980s, Reneault owned (IIRC) 49% of AMC. I don’t know what the relationship is between Renault and Peugeot other than they are both French, but I suspect that Ranault’s ownership of nearly half of AMC’s stock had something to do with the choice of transmissions.

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Weird. My dad has exactly the same rant. He gets this big throbbing vein in his forehead at the mere mention of the Hum-Vee. Great source of family fun during holiday gatherings.

As for the OP, it’s just a car. Get a grip.

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No, it’s not a car. It’s a JEEP. There’s a difference. If it were a car, it would have been called a Jeepster.